Abrupt reduction in shipping emission as an inadvertent geoengineering termination shock produces substantial radiative warming

Nature.com ^ | 05 30 2024 | Tianle Yuan, etc.

[Waverunner]

I grew up in Florid, and started scuba diving in 73. My best fossil finds were offshore, because Florida was 2-3 times it’s current size during the last ice age. Ancient river beds now underwater were the best places. Florida was a savanna loaded with megafauna. Now we get New Yorkers. We are due for the end of this interglacial period. Interglacial periods usually end with a heat spike followed by rapid cooling. Good luck to all of you snow folks. My first snow experience was when it snowed in Tampa Fl.

[j.havenfarm]

Seriously. The headline, at least, is either AI, or written by a non-English spesker

[FrankRizzo890]

Can we go back to using Pam and Aqua net now?

A quick story. I was on a flight back in the early 2000’s sitting next to an older woman and we began to talk. She says that she didn’t like what the government was doing in Vietnam in the late 60’s, so she picked up and moved to Africa. (Props for that! She had to nerve to do what OTHER libs always say but never do). Anyway, we talked about generic things, and she brings up global warming. I told her I thought it was fake, and just the latest attempt at gaining more control over the populace. She looked shocked and asked how I could think such a thing. I said “When’s the last time you heard about that huge ozone hole over Alaska?” And I saw the light go on. “Yeah! I’ve not heard anything about that in YEARS!” I replied that I think global warming is the current manifestation of the ozone hole. And she didn’t disagree.

[6ppc]

Reminds me of an excerpt I read a couple of weeks ago, here on FR, from some university DEI director’s dissertation. Total word salad.

[brookwood]

" I replied that I think global warming is the current manifestation of the ozone hole."
Note that an ozone hole is considered an environmental disaster, but ozone at ground level is considered a harmful pollutant. Also note that ozone at ground level becomes ozone in the stratosphere in the same way that all human CO2 emissions occur at ground level (except a small portion from airplanes - which also emit ozone) but end up in the higher atmosphere (troposphere).
Further note that when "acid rain" was the problem 40 years ago, the environmentalists forced power plants to reduce their emissions of sulphur, and this reduction causes warming because the sulphur in the atmosphere blocks sunlight. So the environmentalists cause a problem, and then demand trillions of dollars for themselves and their cronies, impoverishing everyone else, so fix the problem they caused.

[Dutch Boy]

It always seems to be their solution. It doesn’t matter what the issue.

[Disambiguator]

Yep.

My takeaway: air pollution was offsetting AGW by blocking sunlight. Cleaner air resulting from changes in fuel (Diesel and fuel oil for ships is my guess) is causing more sunshine to get through, and now we’re warming up too fast.

[ASOC]

This last year Nature has been forced to retract **thousands** of ‘papers’ owing to outright fraud.

Follow the money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKiBlGDfRU8
Sabine (A PhD) tells how the money all works and drives this inane papers. Well worth the time to watch and learn

[fireman15]

Interglacial periods usually end with a heat spike followed by rapid cooling.

Sorry for all of the typos in my last reply to you.

The data has been manipulated enough that it is hard to say whether we have been experiencing any type of “heat spike” in the last 30 years. When politics, and science are mixed the “science” as the media and public define it becomes hopelessly corrupted.

The weather and climate are naturally cyclic in both the long and short term. I have read that the “temperature record” using Greenland ice core data from the end of the last interglacial period indicate some sort of “heat spike”. I am not sure if that record, and the methods used for analysis are accurate or not.

When I was a youngster, I had a geology teacher who each summer for many years took survey equipment and a group of students to nearby Mount Rainier to measure the Carbon Glacier which was the largest on the mountain, as it advanced further toward the lowlands. Years after I graduated this long-term trend reversed itself and the glacier is now smaller than during the three years that my friends and I visited it.

In the 1950s through the 1970s we had several record-breaking winter storms, and the concern was that we were heading toward a new ice age. But there was no hysteria as there is these days, a few snowstorms and advancing glaciers on Mount Rainier did not cause much anxiety for my friends and I.

I have grandchildren in their teens and twenties who swear that the weather is much warmer now than when they were younger. And they are very concerned about this. The trends in this area in the years since they were born have not been meaningful in any way. But the "global warming" propaganda has been relentless. My assurances have been ignored for the most part. In our country the youth feel that they have superior intellect to their elders.

[FrozenAssets]

Incoherent horse exhaust

[Waverunner]

No problems, and my “brainiac” sons have all the answers, so don’t feel alone. Focus on the grandchildren, and tell them your wild tales, like when I grew up in Florida there were hardly any alligators north of lake Okeechobee, so we would just go swimming in the lakes, ponds and springs of central Florida. Now you’d be gator bait. I remember one spring fed lake that had “soft coral” all along the bottom. The water was clear and it looked like a science fiction movie with alien brains everywhere. They built a subdivision around it and destroyed the ecology of the lake. Things change.

[clearcarbon]

"Cleaner air, hotter planet?"

The reverse of the effects of a nuclear winter. Of course massive forest fires and volcanos are also part of a natural process reversing the cleaner air effect. I remember it said that the Gulf War oil field fires caused some variability in that local climate.