Posted on 05/10/2024 4:43:27 AM PDT by MtnClimber
cyberstoic wrote: “That is an interesting take you have as to why the’76 vax was stopped. While you are correct that the swine flu failed to manifest, that is not why it was stopped. “
“Meanwhile, not only had a pandemic yet to appear, but no swine flu cases outside of the Fort Dix cluster had even been reported. Even if there was no connection between the vaccine and Guillain-Barré syndrome, the risk was no longer acceptable. After the vaccination of 45 million Americans—nearly a quarter of the country’s population—the government halted the program on December 16.”
https://www.history.com/news/swine-flu-rush-vaccine-election-year-1976
cyberstoic wrote: “Peer Reviewed? That USED to be the gold standard until your side took control of the process and censored and defunded any research that did not support endless ineffective mutatedRNA vaxes.”
So you’re claiming that a conspiracy is the reason no peer reviewed studies support the anti-vaxxer narrative? It’s far more likely that is a false narrative.
one guy in new jersey wrote: “gaslight”
You’re being ‘gaslighted’ by those pushing the anti-vaxxer narrative for profit.
Dugie,Dugie,Dugie, seriously my friend. I am claiming precisely that. When your side controls the funding process for research, censors anyone that does not toe the party line, cites research seriously compromised like you do, and destroys those that speak against the official dictum, then YES, my dear friend Duggie, truth is censored and there is no truth in what you offer. What your side offers is a CENSORED FALSE NARRATIVE, lies built upon lies.
gaslight
cyberstoic wrote: “Dugie,Dugie,Dugie, seriously my friend. I am claiming precisely that. When your side controls the funding process for research, censors anyone that does not toe the party line, cites research seriously compromised like you do, and destroys those that speak against the official dictum, then YES, my dear friend Duggie, truth is censored and there is no truth in what you offer. What your side offers is a CENSORED FALSE NARRATIVE, lies built upon lies.”
So, you actually believe hundreds of thousands of health care professionals are engaged in a gigantic conspiracy to hide the truth that vaccines are killing untold numbers?
“So, you actually believe hundreds of thousands of health care professionals are engaged in a gigantic conspiracy to hide the truth that vaccines are killing untold numbers?”
An interesting question. Dr. Fraudci and his pals controlled allocation of research grants and would stop publication and peer review of those challenging the narrative.
Fauci and Peter Daszak were involved up to their eyeballs in the gain of function development of this and then covered up what they had done and their willing accomplices in the press and government ran cover for them.
Dr. Fraudci amd the CDC developed the tx ptotocols that killed people and set into motion the monetary structure to reimburse hospitals that reinforced it. They set into motion using state agencies to punish doctors that went off script by going after their licenses.
Alternative medication protocols were forbidden and pharmacies would not fill those prescriptions.
Google, Fakebook and Twitter censored posts, kicked off others who wrote what went against the narrative, and this was ordered/coordinated with the FedGov.
The very odd, regulatory captured CDC/FDA in their incestuous relationship with pfizer was curious to watch.
Most doctors were afraid to go off script for fear of losing their licenses. Most of them seem very unwilling to speak out, but considering how the regulatory acencies have threatened licenses, it is hard to blame them.
Was this a coordinated conspiracy? Who knows. Of course, covid is the leading cause of coincidences so maybe so.
cyberstoic wrote: “Most doctors were afraid to go off script for fear of losing their licenses. Most of them seem very unwilling to speak out, but considering how the regulatory acencies have threatened licenses, it is hard to blame them.”
So, you admit that doctors do not support your conspiracy theory? It’s much more likely these medical professionals understand vaccines and know these theories are simply wrong.
What I admid, is that whoever is directing this mess with Fraudci, Daszak, DOD, Gates, used every means available to cause fear, and destruction to doctors in the field.
I admit that the Obama electronic medical records were a leash to manipulate and control doctors. Everything is monitored and prescribing off script is a path to destruction. Despite I am allergic to PEG, my doctor was ordered to pressure me to take a fake mrna vax that would likely have caused me anaphylaxis and death and could not offer an exemption because the controllers would go after him.
Controlling people through fear and punishment is not saying all these doctors are complicit in a conspiracy, it says that intellectual enablers and those involved used manipulative force to control and destroy doctors are a powerful controller and manipulator. Duggie dear, why are you not proud of your position. Revel in it dear Duggie, Machiavelli should be your hero.
cyberstoic wrote: “What I admid, is that whoever is directing this mess with Fraudci, Daszak, DOD, Gates, used every means available to cause fear, and destruction to doctors in the field.”
You do like conspiracy theories.
I'll take credit for this subtle switch from "mainstream" media to LAAP-dog media.
-PJ
I don’t like conspiracy tbeories. I understand that the CIA developed the term to discount and discredit those that spoke against them. How can these be conspiracy theories when all of what I wrote was stated three years ago and has come true. The more interesting thing is why,dear sweet duggie do you continue to espouse lies that have been demonstrated to be true and act like you have some sense of truth. Liars gonna lie
cyberstoic wrote: “I don’t like conspiracy tbeories. I understand that the CIA developed the term to discount and discredit those that spoke against them. How can these be conspiracy theories when all of what I wrote was stated three years ago and has come true. The more interesting thing is why,dear sweet duggie do you continue to espouse lies that have been demonstrated to be true and act like you have some sense of truth. Liars gonna lie”
Except that you keep espousing things as fact which are patently untrue. The earliest use of the term ‘conspiracy theory’ happened well before the CIA even existed.
Then “all of what I wrote was stated three years ago and has come true.” have only come true in the ferver swamps of the anti-vaxxer narrative. Anti-vaxxers are constantly distorting the record in order to ‘make believe’ their ‘facts’ are true.
Case in point. Your claim “that the CIA developed the term to discount and discredit those that spoke against them” is commonly made here on FR by those who believe the vaccines are part of a vast conspiracy. Unfortunately, that is easily disproved. (See below) This is an example of how those believing the anti-vaxxer narrative seize on things they read on the internet as ‘honest gospel truth’ without the slightest effort to validate those claims. Pretty much an example of ‘I won’t verify that because I want to believe it.’
“The Oxford English Dictionary defines conspiracy theory as “the theory that an event or phenomenon occurs as a result of a conspiracy between interested parties; spec. a belief that some covert but influential agency (typically political in motivation and oppressive in intent) is responsible for an unexplained event”. It cites a 1909 article in The American Historical Review as the earliest usage example, although it also appeared in print for several decades before.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory
...this comment brought to the forum by a guy who (self-admittedly and I’ve screen captures to prove it) was stationed at dugway proving grounds.
Oh...what is “dugway proving grounds”?
Glad you asked!
“Dugway Proving Ground (DPG) is a U.S. Army facility established in 1942 to test BIOLOGICAL and chemical weapons...”
From
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dugway_Proving_Ground
...one of the most secretive biological warfare stations.
Probably CIA/DARPA all over that user and now everyone understands who is posting those propaganda posts.
...because we call ‘em like we see ‘em and let the infiltrators out themselves.
Dugway was the clue and he bit hard on the doxing.
NOT the sharpest kiddie scissors on the Christmas tree.
“Duke” indicates self appointed authority. Ego. Narcissism.
We once had a man transfer to our field office. He introduced himself by first name then leaned in and said; “but you can call me “chief”. I leaned into him and repeated my first name and said; but you can call me; ‘I ain’t kissing your f’n ego, narcissist ass’, your bull scat isn’t flying here and don’t ever again ask me to address you that way, because my reply will be worse next time”. His withered into the puny boy, ego deflated and once word got around about how I publicly pinned his flapping ears back, ol’ “chief” became “squaw”, around the field office, with much merriment ensuing.
Problem solved and now everyone also knows about Dugway-FILL IN THE BLANK
...same story about ego, but now you know where he was stationed. He has a highly vested interest in the propaganda/lie narrative.
His ego is in play and probably still an operating. But that is just a guess. The stronger probably is the. ego “ We know better and it was for your own good”. The Machiavellian ego that is within most cluster B disorders.
...no charge for the intel =o)
...this is where dugbag whines to mods to delete my post, but it WILL be back, with screen captures.
Shove it, troll-boi.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/long-shadow-1976-swine-flu-vaccine-fiasco-180961994/
Money quote: “We can’t blame it for the modern anti-vaccine movement, which has more recent roots in a retracted paper that linked one vaccine to autism, but it certainly had an effect on the public’s view of vaccines.”
And we know both the NY Slimes and the Smithsonian are wholly funded by RFK Junior, amirite?
Troll.
grey_whiskers wrote: “Shove it, troll-boi.”
You should read your own links:
“Federal and Pennsylvania health on cials said there was no evidence that the deaths had resulted from the vaccinations. But they also said that the highly unusual circumstances of three fatalities among the patients of one clinic in such a short time required investigation.”
“All three patients are known to have had heart disease, health officials said. and autopsies showed that two died of heart attacks. The family of ‘ the third patient did not permit an autopsy.”
“Noting that the persons who died were all elderly, Dr. Sencer said it could be estimated that among 100.000 people in the 65‐to‐75 age group, there would be nine or ten deaths in any 24‐hour period and that this natural risk of death would be heightened by the existence of heart disease.”
But they also said that the highly unusual circumstances of three fatalities among the patients of one clinic in such a short time required investigation.
Hence "an abundance of caution."
The headline itself said "SWINE FLU PROGRAM IS HALTED IN 9 STATES AS 3 DIE AFTER SHOTS" --> NOT, "Swine flu halted cause nobody's actually getting sick."
These are contemporary headlines, not subject to after-the-fact revisionism.
Nice try though, troll-boi.
grey_whiskers wrote: “The headline itself said “SWINE FLU PROGRAM IS HALTED IN 9 STATES AS 3 DIE AFTER SHOTS” —> NOT, “Swine flu halted cause nobody’s actually getting sick.”
If no one was catching the swine flu there was no need for the vaccination program.
Nice historical revisionism.
I’m showing contemporary documents from sources
which are known to be historically liberal.
So they aren’t revision after the fact, or the secret machinations of a fictitious cabal of (oooh-scary) “anti-vaxxers.”
These are still in contradiction of your claims.
Troll.
grey_whiskers wrote: “These are still in contradiction of your claims.”
Both played a factor. Unexplained GB incidents and a swine flu epidemic that wasn’t. No reason to continue the vaccinations.
This has little or no relevance to the COVID pandemic. Sure, the vaccines had some rare side-effects, all vaccines do. However the COVID pandemic was real and the swine flu wasn’t.
The important lesson from both the swine flu and covid is that politicians need to be more cautious in their reactions.
Troll continues trolling.
The point is swine flu was pulled with far fewer side effects or fatalities than the clot shots.
And back then the authorities didn’t make it a practical impossibility to report side effects, and then BOTH lie to cover them up, then try to destroy the careers of doctors which reported them.
They worked for the patients, not Moderna/Pfizer profits.
Troll.
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