Their document is not the equivalent of similar documents created in other states. It does not serve the purpose of proving birth in the state.
As already shown to you in my #49:
When a State "proves" a State record, that record must, pursuant to the Constitution, be accepted in every court in the United States. That has been going on since 1789.
U.S. Constitution
Article IVSection 1.
Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/rule_44
Rule 44. Proving an Official Record(a) Means of Proving.
(1) Domestic Record. Each of the following evidences an official record—or an entry in it—that is otherwise admissible and is kept within the United States, any state, district, or commonwealth, or any territory subject to the administrative or judicial jurisdiction of the United States:
(A) an official publication of the record; or
(B) a copy attested by the officer with legal custody of the record—or by the officer's deputy—and accompanied by a certificate that the officer has custody. The certificate must be made under seal:
(i) by a judge of a court of record in the district or political subdivision where the record is kept; or
(ii) by any public officer with a seal of office and with official duties in the district or political subdivision where the record is kept.
(2) Foreign Record.
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There it is! That’s the citation I was trying to find.
Thank you! This applies to the letters of verification:
“(B) a copy attested by the officer with legal custody of the record—or by the officer’s deputy—and accompanied by a certificate that the officer has custody. The certificate must be made under seal: “
That DID NOT HAPPEN with those 3 letters of verification. The seal used requires the signature of the HDOH Director and the letters didn’t have that.
That means that the HDOH has no valid BC for Obama and what Obama claims to have “published” is clearly known as a forgery because a non-valid BC would have to have the stamps showing why it was invalid: LATE and/or ALTERED, along with a notation of what evidence was supplied to alter the record.
Loretta Fuddy herself - by refusing to sign the 3 letters of verification that used her seal - proved that Obama did NOT post what her office sent to him.
You are ignoring my point and simply repeating yours.
My point is that Hawaii has no *EQUIVALENT* document to present. As their document cannot prove birth in the state, it is not the same document as other states produce.
It is like asking for a marriage license and someone sending you a fishing license. What they have submitted is useless to determine birth within a state.
Even if your full faith and credit argument were valid, the constitution also requires a "natural born citizen" and if a state cannot submit a document that proves this requirement, it cannot be accepted as proof.
The Constitution requires as much adhrence to the NBC clause as it does the "full faith and credit" clause. You don't get to toss one out by accepting a false compliance with the other.