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To: DiogenesLamp
And he's not a natural born citizen.

Like Charles Arthur before him (VP and Prez), Obama was also a natural born citizen, having been born in the U.S., subject to its jurisdiction.

Thjere are two classifications of citizen, and two only: naturalized and natural born.

124 posted on 04/26/2024 10:40:44 AM PDT by woodpusher
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To: woodpusher

Chester Arthur, not Charles. MInor point.


125 posted on 04/26/2024 10:44:12 AM PDT by Publius
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To: woodpusher
Like Charles Arthur before him (VP and Prez), Obama was also a natural born citizen, having been born in the U.S., subject to its jurisdiction.

You keep repeating that he was born here, (14th amendment "naturalized" citizen) but we have seen no actual proof that this is true.

Fake documents from Hawaii may be good enough for idiot/incompetent courts, but they don't prove anything to more rational people.

126 posted on 04/26/2024 11:10:23 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: woodpusher

And one can be “naturalized” at birth by acts of Congress per man-made laws and acts such as the Naturalization Act, Title 8 Section 1401. But naturalization at or by birth does NOT make that child a “natural born Citizen” which is a Natural Law kind of Citizen. Neither does the 14th Amendment create a “natural born Citizen”. No where in that amendment is the word “natural”. Both of those are man-made laws and acts “naturalizing” a child at birth.

Adjectives mean something and the adjective “natural” means created by nature, not by man.

Only the Principles of Natural Law and the precise circumstances of being born in the country to parents (plural) who were both Citizens (naturalized or born themselves as Citizens) of the country can procreate a “natural born Citizen”. The framers knew that. That is why there was a grandfather clause in Article II Section 1 Clause 5 because they knew that the country had to wait awhile until the original Citizens could procreate the natural born Citizens, who then would be eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of our military once the founding generation was gone.

Robbing a bank by one person does not absolve a second person of criminal punishment when they rob a bank. One usurper Chester Arthur getting away with faking his “natural born Citizen” status and getting away with it does not absolve Barack Hussein (some say Mohammad) Obama from being criminally punished for his usurpation of the Presidency and CinC. And the Dems set the precedence in impeaching a former President after he left office. So, maybe at some point Obama the usurper will be impeached and maybe even convicted in the Senate. Or maybe he will be criminally prosecuted for the use of forged short and long form birth documents, a forged draft registration card, and using one or more stolen SSN’s prior to being sworn in as the usurping President.

See this White Paper on “natural born Citizen” (”nbc”) for more details about the Who, What, When, Where, WHY, and How the “nbC” term was put into the Presidential Eligibility clause of our U.S. Constitution: http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/naturalborncitizen/TheWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyandHowofNBC-WhitePaper.pdf

Also for some basic logic and a Euler Diagram to prove the fallacy of your argument about the various kinds of Citizens see: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2016/02/14/euler-logic-diagram-shows-logical-relationship-of-constitutional-article-ii-natural-born-citizens-to-other-type-citizens-of-the-united-states/

Also see this chart for the types of Citizens (five) mentioned in the U.S. Constitution: https://www.scribd.com/doc/11737124/Citizenship-Terms-Used-in-the-U-S-Constitution-The-5-Terms-Defined-Some-Legal-Reference-to-Same


127 posted on 04/26/2024 1:32:50 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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