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To: woodpusher

And one can be “naturalized” at birth by acts of Congress per man-made laws and acts such as the Naturalization Act, Title 8 Section 1401. But naturalization at or by birth does NOT make that child a “natural born Citizen” which is a Natural Law kind of Citizen. Neither does the 14th Amendment create a “natural born Citizen”. No where in that amendment is the word “natural”. Both of those are man-made laws and acts “naturalizing” a child at birth.

Adjectives mean something and the adjective “natural” means created by nature, not by man.

Only the Principles of Natural Law and the precise circumstances of being born in the country to parents (plural) who were both Citizens (naturalized or born themselves as Citizens) of the country can procreate a “natural born Citizen”. The framers knew that. That is why there was a grandfather clause in Article II Section 1 Clause 5 because they knew that the country had to wait awhile until the original Citizens could procreate the natural born Citizens, who then would be eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of our military once the founding generation was gone.

Robbing a bank by one person does not absolve a second person of criminal punishment when they rob a bank. One usurper Chester Arthur getting away with faking his “natural born Citizen” status and getting away with it does not absolve Barack Hussein (some say Mohammad) Obama from being criminally punished for his usurpation of the Presidency and CinC. And the Dems set the precedence in impeaching a former President after he left office. So, maybe at some point Obama the usurper will be impeached and maybe even convicted in the Senate. Or maybe he will be criminally prosecuted for the use of forged short and long form birth documents, a forged draft registration card, and using one or more stolen SSN’s prior to being sworn in as the usurping President.

See this White Paper on “natural born Citizen” (”nbc”) for more details about the Who, What, When, Where, WHY, and How the “nbC” term was put into the Presidential Eligibility clause of our U.S. Constitution: http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/naturalborncitizen/TheWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyandHowofNBC-WhitePaper.pdf

Also for some basic logic and a Euler Diagram to prove the fallacy of your argument about the various kinds of Citizens see: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2016/02/14/euler-logic-diagram-shows-logical-relationship-of-constitutional-article-ii-natural-born-citizens-to-other-type-citizens-of-the-united-states/

Also see this chart for the types of Citizens (five) mentioned in the U.S. Constitution: https://www.scribd.com/doc/11737124/Citizenship-Terms-Used-in-the-U-S-Constitution-The-5-Terms-Defined-Some-Legal-Reference-to-Same


127 posted on 04/26/2024 1:32:50 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: CDR Kerchner
And one can be “naturalized” at birth by acts of Congress per man-made laws and acts such as the Naturalization Act, Title 8 Section 1401. But naturalization at or by birth does NOT make that child a “natural born Citizen”....

Take your nonsense to court. hmmm... No wait, that could result in being cited for frivolous filing AGAIN.

NOBODY can be naturalized at birth. It is legally IMPOSSIBLE.

https://law.justia.com/codes/us/2021/title-8/chapter-12/subchapter-i/sec-1101/

8 U.S.C. 1101; Definitions

(23) The term "naturalization" means the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.

As naturalization may only occur after birth, it is impossible for it to occur at birth.

It is impossible for naturalization to make one a natural born citizen. That requires the acquisition of citizenship at birth, not suibsequent to birth. To be eligible for naturalization, one must be an alien, legally present in the United States.

All persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural born citizens.

Wong Kim Ark at 169 U.S. 662-63:

In United States v. Rhodes (1866), Mr. Justice Swayne, sitting in the Circuit Court, said: "All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. . . . We find no warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States. It has always obtained here with the same vigor, and subject only to the same exceptions, since as before the Revolution."

169 U. S. 702.

The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in the declaration that

"all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,"

contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only: birth and naturalization. Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the Constitution. Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization.

https://fam.state.gov/FAM/08FAM/08FAM030101.html#M301_1_1

[State Department, Foreign Affairs Manual]

8 FAM 301.1-1 INTRODUCTION

(b) A child born in an immigration detention center physically located in the United States is considered to have been born in the United States and be subject to its jurisdiction. This is so even if the child’s parents have not been legally admitted to the United States and, for immigration purposes, may be viewed as not being in the United States.

129 posted on 04/26/2024 3:05:31 PM PDT by woodpusher
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