That’s irrelevant. Of course they don’t put the certificates on public display. Nobody said they did.
What I directed you to was the part on lists of vital events, which are required to be made public.Section 2.2. When you look at that you can begin to see how brazen the HDOH is to claim there aren’t lists publicly available. (Again, where did you see them say that?)
I viewed the Sunahara information through UIPA (HI’s version of FOIA) requests. That’s also where I viewed the birth index. There are also images online, including at my blog, which is where I have a lot of other information also. https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com It’s hard to find stuff there in its current state which is why I have done you the favor of discussing here.
As I pointed out (and gave you info from experts about) your driver’s license has OTHER methods of authentication such as watermarks and bar codes. Whether that is in any law or not, it is a fact of life that if you don’t have a license with those features you won’t be able to drive anywhere, if you get caught. It’s also a fact of life that if you present a non-certified piece of paper claiming birth facts you will get laughed out of existence if you try to use it for official purposes.
The HDOH - and lots of other DOH offices - KNOW THIS and that is why they make provisions for only qualified people to get actually CERTIFIED records. A verification is a certification that is only available to people who are also qualified to receive a certified copy of the vital record, and a letter of verification is to be considered a certification The rules say that the form of “certification” is the certifying statement, signature, and raised seal.
I have more than answered your questions.
You can see the KS verification at https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/kansas-verification.pdf. The seal is not visible there but I contacted their office and they said it has a seal like the one on the AZ one.
The AZ one is at https://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/bennett-request-and-response.pdf . I had a colleague go to the AZ SOS’s office and take a photo of that seal next to a ruler where it is seen that the seal is 2 1/4” in diameter - one of the defining features showing this is the Director’s seal.
The MDEC one is at https://www.scribd.com/doc/96200621/2012-06-06-MDEC-Motion-to-Supplement-Response-to-Motion-for-Sanctions-S-D-Miss . That one actually shows the seal clearly. You can see, for instance, the star between the upper and lower banks of words around the perimeter - another defining feature which shows us this is the DIRECTOR’s seal and requires the Director’s signature. (See 11-1-2 at https://health.hawaii.gov/opppd/files/2013/06/prac_proc.pdf especially where it says:
“At the curve on each side portion
shall be a star. “
and
“(b) The official seal of the department of
health shall be embossed near the signature of the
director of health to verify commissions of
appointment of deputy directors and notaries public,
certificates, and other formal official documents on
which the official seal has been customarily used or
is appropriate to be used, as the director of health
may determine on a case-by-case basis.”
The verifications are real. The seals used are really the Director’s, the Director’s signature is really required in order to certify, and Loretta Fuddy’s signature is nowhere on the document.
I have documented what I said and given sources to explain what should be obvious to everybody even without further elaboration.
You, on the other hand, have not answered why you think the HDOH 3 times sent letters of verification that pretended to be certified but actually weren’t. Apparently THE HDOH thought it needed to be certified. They made it LOOK LIKE it was certified for some reason. A funny thing to do if not necessary as you seem to claim.
But it wasn’t. That particular seal has to have the Director’s signature next to it in order to certify/verify a document.
And you won’t tell me why you think they did that.
Three times.
It doesn’t matter if you think it’s smoke and mirrors. It’s not. The evidence is right here for all to see. And your inability to see that says more about you than about the issue itself.
Thank you providing the information I requested multiple times. As I pointed out below I could find no requirement that the Letter of Verification contain a certification. I don’t even remember what the problems with the letters weee. That they don’t have a certification?
I don’t think I said the letters pretended to be certified when they weren’t. I asked where I could see them.