>Courtesy Open Source DefensePosted on 04/23/2024 2:59:25 PM PDT by absalom01
>Courtesy Open Source Defense
Exponential curves like the one above don’t just stop. The consumer demand (for suppressors) is there, and it’s accelerating. And that’s happening just as NFA wait times are coming down. From the NSSF:
Updated times announced today by ATF show the average wait time on a paper NFA Form 4 — the most popular NFA form submitted — dropped to an average of 245 days for processing, while average daily processing times for electronic eForm 4’s dropped to 53 days. Previously, wait times on Form 4’s were near 280 days for paper form processing and between 90 and 190 days for electronic processing. NSSF has learned that in some cases fully electronic Form 4’s were processed in as few as four days and in some cases on the same day.
There’s still the $200 tax, but over time that matters less and less. Where this gets really interesting is integral silencers. In a world of NFA wait times measured in days, there’d be a real market for most mid- or high-end firearms being integrally suppressed. If they’re already spending $1000+, a lot of people would be willing to pay an extra $200 for a dramatically better shooting experience.
The factors are aligned for silencers to go truly mainstream in the next few years. ...
Silencer Shop reports the average individual eForm 4 wait time as of 4/22/24 is 3 days. That’s three days.)
(Excerpt) Read more at shootingnewsweekly.com ...
Suppressors are going to become A LOT more common, and quickly. It'll be interesting to see if pressure forms in the blue states that have banned NFA firearms to at least allow their citizens to buy and use these these items when millions of their friends and family members start thinking of their suppressed rifles as the default?
“suddenly discovered ability to process form 4’s”
To make a new registry of gun owners, you mean. Is that tinfoil?
Well, if you have wanted to buy a suppressor after 1934, you had to fill out a form 4.
My personal opinion is that the NFA violates the 2nd amendment, but the ATF doesn’t seem to care about my opinions.
The only thing that changed is that they’re processing them in a couple of days, rather than a couple of years with their new electronic system.
Which, overall, is movement in the right direction, imho.
Ok, I’m getting my paperwork ready!
I believe that you need written permission to cross state lines.
I live on the in PA, on the WV border.
Do I need written permission, every time, from my betters, to go hunt coyotes on my buddy's farm, in WV?
Do I give up any 4th Amd protections?
Suppressors do not need paperwork to cross state lines. All other NFA items do. There is a small loophole for short barrel rifles. You can remove the short barrel and replace it with a 16” barrel and cross state lines. You are not allowed to bring the short barrel with you.
According to the internet, unlike all of the other items regulated by the NFA, suppressors do not require that you fill out DOJ form 5320.20 as long as you are traveling to a state where they are not prohibited (California, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and the District of Columbia).
But i’m not a lawyer, and don’t play one on the internet, so check with competent counsel before sending any coyotes to their eternal reward.
And yes, this is a violation of our God-given constitutional rights, imho.
Me too.
First of all, integrally-suppressed handguns are substantially bulkier and heavier than non-suppressed. Neither of which is a plus for EDC or CCW. It could work for a plinking toy or a nightstand gun but most people don't buy so many handguns that they can afford to have one that they know will never need to leave the house mounted on their hip.
But putting a threaded barrel on a handgun (so you can mount a thread-on suppressor [or Nielsen device]) is more utilitarian because without the can it's almost identical to a regular handgun, so you can still CCW with it with virtually no handicap. But you can slip the suppressor on as suits your need.
But the down-side, obviously, is it's a fair bit longer than an integral suppressor mounted.
But the integral suppressor also puts you in a jam if you're wanting to run really hot loads because the integral barrel is ported along much of its length to tap off gas before the bullet ever gets to the muzzle. So you can NEVER match the non-integral barrel's muzzle velocity.
Second, integrally-suppressed rifles are a mixed bag of nuts because they cost you a substantial portion of your usual muzzle velocity. Yes, they weapon will be shorter overall but rifle bullets are designed to perform at rifle velocities. Take off too much MV and you'd be better off shooting a pistol-cartridge carbine instead.
One thing you don't hear people talk about when they're hawking silliness like 300 Blackout subsonics is that when you're shooting subsonic rifle rounds, the first rule is ALWAYS MAKE CERTAIN the last round you fired exited the barrel before squeezing the trigger again.
Why? Because you're "down-loading" the cartridge to such an extent that you've manifestly increased the potential for of a "squib" load. One that doesn't have enough "Pop" to drive the bullet the out of the barrel.
Ruh-Roh!
The funny thing about suppressors is that after you've owned one for a while, once the novelty of it has worn off, you start asking yourself, "Why the heck didn't I didn't do this sooner?" Because not having to deal with all that noise, and especially the muzzle blast in the face (in the case of long guns) just makes the whole shooting experience more enjoyable and less taxing.
Plus, in most cases, they'll make your rifles very slightly more precise. However, depending on your suppressor and the length of your barrel, hanging that added weight out at the end of the barrel might spoil its handling characteristics. Not such a prob with shorter barrels (like 16" ARs) and light-weight (<16 oz) cans, but still noticeable.
FWIW, suppressors have evolved tremendously (to the GOOD) in the last 20 years. They've gotten smaller and lighter all at the same time while still targeting that magic "hearing-safe" (<140dB) sound pressure level. Because these improvements weren't self-evident, somebody had to spend money on the R&D to make them to happen. And the more suppressors they sell, and the brighter their future prospects look, the more inclined they are to spend from the black side of the P&L sheet on product improvement. There are steel centerfire rifle suppressors on the market now in the 12-oz range, which was strictly exotic materials country just a few years ago.
And there are new mounting standards that make the latest generation of cans more utilitarian than ever before.
No. None. That is a myth the people who are too stingy to buy one for themselves made up to discourage you from having one either.
Supressors are the only NFA item that you don’t need an approved form 5320.20 for.
Already would be if the ATF hadn’t added suppressors to the DD list...
In an agency with a history of STUPID and unConstitutional BS... This is one of the worst.
Pretty sure the registry, that they are not supposed to have, will be on a computer and not printed on tinfoil...
I think the Form 1 applications are also up. The suppressor “kits” you can buy are increasing in quality but you have to have your tax stamp in hand before you can buy the components. For some unknown reason, Form 1s usually take much less time than Form 4s.
No, they’re not of the same quality as factory-made and bought thru a Form 4, but they are in general just a fraction of the price.
Thanks.
Not that I see anywhere. Suppressors are treated differently than SBRs, SBSs, or full auto firearms.
Do I give up any 4th Amd protections?
The ATF has the legal authority to demand to see your tax stamp (also serves as registration document). Suppressors are considered NFA "firearms" as a legal definition.
They don't have the right to see your suppressor, at least as far as I can tell.
It seems highly unlikely they would ask to see the tax stamp if you do not have the suppressor in your possession.
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My thoughts Also...
The powers that be have a change of mind and...well You know.
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I’d like one on a Mark IV
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