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10 Shot-Down Jets In 10 Days. Russia’s Aerial Surge In Ukraine Is Getting More Of Its Pilots Killed.
Forbes ^ | 2/27/2024 | David Axe

Posted on 02/27/2024 2:55:45 PM PST by marcusmaximus

The Ukrainian air force claimed it has shot down 10 Russian warplanes in 10 days: nine of the Russian air force’s best Sukhoi Su-34 and Sukhoi Su-35 fighter-bombers and also a rare Beriev A-50 radar plane.

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The Ukrainian defense ministry announced this month’s ninth and tenth shoot-downs—both involving Su-34s—on Tuesday. “Oops, we did it again!” the ministry quipped. “And now it's 10 destroyed Russian planes in 10 days!”

How the Ukrainians are shooting down so many jets is unclear. It’s possible the Ukrainian air force has assigned some of its American-made Patriot missile launchers to mobile air-defense groups that move quickly in close proximity to the 600-mile front line of Russia’s two-year wider war on Ukraine, ambushing Russian jets with 90-mile-range PAC-2 missiles then swiftly relocating to avoid counterattack.

But the distance at which the Ukrainians shot down that A-50 on Friday—120 miles or so—hints that a longer-range missile system was involved. Perhaps a Cold War-vintage S-200 that the Ukrainian air force pulled out of long-term storage.

It also is apparent the Ukrainians have moved some of their two-dozen or so 25-mile-range NASAMS surface-to-air missile batteries closer to the front line.

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1 posted on 02/27/2024 2:55:45 PM PST by marcusmaximus
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To: marcusmaximus

Jeez… and here I thought it was 30 Russian planes shot down over 30 days. /sarc


2 posted on 02/27/2024 2:57:55 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: marcusmaximus

More dead Russians and more destroyed Russian equipment.

Works for me.


3 posted on 02/27/2024 2:59:10 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: marcusmaximus

The lesson here is that the balance of weapons has turned to advantage for air defence.

No good news for militaries that require air superiority as part of their victory plan.


4 posted on 02/27/2024 3:03:12 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: House Atreides

The Ukrainians didnt claim 30, they claimed 10.
A few of these have independent confirmation.


5 posted on 02/27/2024 3:03:54 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: marcusmaximus

The US lost over 2200 aircraft in Vietnam.


6 posted on 02/27/2024 3:04:44 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: House Atreides

and here I thought it was 30 Russian planes shot down over 30 days

UKR is working on your goal as we speak.


7 posted on 02/27/2024 3:04:59 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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I think it’s sick to playfully quote Britanny Spears (lyrics in her song) re war reporting.

” “Oops, we did it again!” the ministry quipped. “

I wonder if they have anything cute to quote for the senseless deaths of conscripts shoved to the front lines by Zelensky


8 posted on 02/27/2024 3:05:08 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Mariner

Mine was one of ‘em......


9 posted on 02/27/2024 3:10:09 PM PST by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and even n the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: House Atreides

The Ghost of Kiev is amazing! Is there anything that a brave propaganda fiction cannot do? Lacking any physical mass whatsoever the Ghost of Kiev can also appear in dreams and hear your prayers.

Якщо український народ хоче вижити, йому потрібно повісити Зеленського на рояльний дріт і спалити своїх господарів з CIA.


10 posted on 02/27/2024 3:10:11 PM PST by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: marcusmaximus

Still in the 2nd quarter of the game. Let us know when it is over who won.


11 posted on 02/27/2024 3:10:22 PM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It ( )
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To: Reverend Wright

 

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled 10 Shot-Down Jets In 10 Days. Russia’s Aerial Surge In Ukraine Is Getting More Of Its Pilots Killed., Reverend Wright wrote:

The lesson here is that the balance of weapons has turned to advantage for air defence.

No good news for militaries that require air superiority as part of their victory plan.

Given how much the Ukrainians have lied, and continue to lie, and our MSM and government help them lie, there's no reason to believe the Ukraine's claims. They cried wolf too many times.

If their claims are true, it does not remove the importance of air superiority. Air Defenses are taken out by aircraft and ground troops all the time. This 'story,' or today's propaganda piece, does not signal a turn of events. The media is going to fan these claims to try to portray it as worthy of billions of United States tax dollars. The Ukraine is dying and will continue to die until Zelensky flees to his mansion and the MSM distract everyone with a false flag. Why should the United States pay for the Ukraine's funeral?


12 posted on 02/27/2024 3:10:31 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: buwaya

“ The Ukrainians didnt claim 30, they claimed 10.
A few of these have independent confirmation.”
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Well don’t blame me for the Ukrainians’ lack of ambition in their claims.


13 posted on 02/27/2024 3:11:39 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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To: Reverend Wright

The balance of weapons is for this war, not war in general, as this is the RuAF we are talking about, not the US and NATO, as their equipment and doctrine are very different and have not made an appearance in this war at all.

And its not really a change in “balance”, as the RuAF has never in this war been able to challenge the Ukrainian SAM umbrella with manned aircraft. Its spent most of that time nibbling at the edges of the front line at low altitude.

What the Russians have been doing lately is dropping standoff glide bombs, necessarily at high altitude, from what they hoped was beyond the range of that SAM umbrella. They have been disabused of this notion, and henceforth any glide bomb operations will have to be conducted from even further back. The Russians will probably have to modify their munitions in order to find such a safe zone.


14 posted on 02/27/2024 3:16:45 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: marcusmaximus

Then, the Gay YouCrayne President does not need American TaX Dollars or
weapons.


15 posted on 02/27/2024 3:17:50 PM PST by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: House Atreides

It does not seem there is any pleasing you :)


16 posted on 02/27/2024 3:19:41 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: tennmountainman

If they have been using Patriot missiles for this then of course they need US weapons. The Patriot is a US weapon, designed specifically, mind you, to shoot down Russian aircraft. There are still quite a few Russian aircraft to shoot down, so they need more missiles.


17 posted on 02/27/2024 3:23:53 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Robe

A friend & mentor was shot down as well. Spent 2 years in Hanoi and he despised Jane Fonda until the day he died.


18 posted on 02/27/2024 3:25:30 PM PST by zek157 ( )
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To: ransomnote

No. The lesson is really for the USA/NATO. Which depends on air superiority as their battle strategy.

If Russian air defence is even better than Ukraine (yes it is), then NATO will have to get on the ground with these guys, and it won’t go any better than the Counter-Offensive.


19 posted on 02/27/2024 3:30:01 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: marcusmaximus
"How the Ukrainians are shooting down so many jets is unclear.”

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I found Ukraine's secret weapon!

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20 posted on 02/27/2024 3:30:27 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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