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To: marcusmaximus

Starting with number eight, you should add that the CIA had many facilities in Ukraine. And every illegal act of the CIA was carried out in Ukraine. It was the playground of the CIA to break laws in America. You want to torture someone, send them to Ukraine. You want an illegal bio-lab do it in Ukraine. You want to imprison someone forever, send them to Ukraine. Our government breaks its own laws by controlling Ukraine. So from Russia’s point of view, America is just as bad as they are, but their citizenry is too stupid to figure it out. Our government has no higher moral values than Putin or Xi. Putin is just scratching his head, wondering when Americans will wake up and see how foul the American government is.


8 posted on 02/10/2024 8:59:55 AM PST by poinq (thics and customs and did not take an oath to the country. And did not follow the country's traditio)
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To: poinq

Oh the biolab horsecrap again.

Yeah and Poland started WW2!

Folks if you find yourself listening to insanity that Polish Nazis started WW2, you need to close your mouths and read some books.

Nazi Germany and Russia started WW2 with a simultaneous invasion of Poland in which they split it between them by agreement between Stalin and Hitler.

And yes Putin wants to invade Poland again which is why he’s justifying doing it in the 1940’s and connecting that to present day.

Wake up!


23 posted on 02/10/2024 9:23:14 AM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: poinq

Thanks for sharing Putin’s talking points.


34 posted on 02/10/2024 9:46:58 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: poinq

There is a difference between the people in the US and the government.

Americans are generous with charity, many volunteer and church membership as well as morals are important for many. A great percentage still attend religious services.

But our government is for sale, the laws and bureaucracy is secular, our national policies are mostly amoral, globalist and guided by economic interests.

The dichotomy between the people and their government is huge.

Somewhere along the way, our national government stoped being by and for the people.

Frankly, our government is no different than Russia. We live in a society that claims to be a republic but we don’t really follow the Constitution (name me one of the Bill of Rights which has not been abridged?). We pretend to be a democracy, but that is highly questionable. The Intel service and federal law enforcement get used in political games. You have a handful of large corporations, financial institutions and oligarchs who have a disproportionate influence on government. You have censorship, a media that is acts like an extension of the polit bureau for one of the parties, government sponsored information operations on their own public, a total lack of privacy in what amounts to a police state. Both nations use their military to advance their foreign policies. Both nations are willing to violate basic human rights, lie and cheat regards agreements, are willing to kidnap, torture and assassinate.

Both Russia and the US are the two nations on which the world runs: these two control the real estate from where gas and oil on a global scale comes from.

The US happens to be bigger economically, more populous, militarily more powerful, and we are gobbling up the smaller and weaker one, examples: Syria, Iraq, Libya, Venezuela and Niger. All major oil producing nations aligned with Russia and where we are trying to tear them under our control, all awhile we scream how Russia is a threat to us and expansionist.

What really is the difference between us and Russia? We speak English and the guys that run the place have names like Soros, Gates, Bourla, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Fink, and Dimon. In Russia they speak Russian and the people that run the place have names like Timchemko, Potanin, Alekperov, Abramovich, Usmanov, Deripaska, and Fradkov.

So our oligarchs decided they want what the Russian oligarchs posses, and out come the BS arguments of democracy, sovereignty, and human rights on our side. While on the Russian side the BS arguments of denazification are played up. The real motive is money, greed, and the rest is just stupid eyewash, a dumb story to get people to support something which has ZERO to do with our national security (no one can formulate a viable national security argument for why we are in Ukraine). And of course this “noble cause” is brought to you by a MSM which is outright owned or entirely beholden to these same oligarchs.


73 posted on 02/10/2024 8:09:04 PM PST by Red6
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