Posted on 02/10/2024 8:48:18 AM PST by marcusmaximus
1. Poland cooperated/collaborated with Hitler’s Germany.
Before World War II, Polish diplomacy tried to keep good neighbourly relations with Germany. Poland’s entering into any sort of military alliance with Hitler was out of question. In the period between the First and Second World Wars, Poland found itself between two aggressive neighbours: Germany and Russia, neither of which practically recognized Polish nation’s right to have an independent state. In 1934, in Berlin, the German–Polish declaration of non-aggression was signed, which was intended to guarantee the settling of disputes by peaceful means. Even before that, in 1932, a similar non-aggression pact was signed with the USSR.
2. Poles forced Hitler to start World War II against them. Why did Poland start the war on 1 September 1939? It was unwilling to cooperate. Hitler had nothing to do but start implementing his plans with Poland.
The Second Polish Republic rejected Hitler’s claims as well as his proposal to enter into a Polish-German alliance against the USSR. It was Hitler’s Germany and the Soviet authorities that signed an agreement against Poland on 23 August 1939 (so-called Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact), which allowed Germany to assault Poland on 1 September 1939. Soviet Russia and Hitler’s Germany cooperated in concert until June 1941.
3. Poland fell prey to the policies it had pursued against Czechoslovakia, as under the well-known Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, part of that territory, including western Ukraine, was to be given to Russia.
Poland did not participate in, nor was it a party to, the Munich Agreement (of 30 September 1938), which in fact heavily limited the sovereignty of Czechoslovakia. Polish claims regarding the Trans-Olza were made after the signing of the Munich Agreement.
4. Thus Russia, which was then named the USSR, regained its historical lands.
The USSR incorporated Poland’s eastern territory as the result of armed aggression (17 September 1939) while Poland was fending off the German invasion. It stabbed the Polish state in the back. So-called people’s referenda held by the Soviets on Poland’s eastern borderlands were accompanied by terror and rigs. Lviv and the then provinces of Lviv and Stanisławów (today’s Western Ukraine) have never been a part of the Russian Empire. Nor was the Vilnius region a historical part of Russia.
5. Ukraine is in fact an artificial state created by Lenin and Stalin.
Today’s Ukraine emerged as a state thanks to Ukrainian national movement. The Bolsheviks did not establish it but merely conquered its part to set up one of the Soviet republics. Ukraine emerged at the will of Ukrainians themselves.
6. The left bank of the Dnieper, including Kyiv, is a historical Russian land.
Kyiv was the historical capital of Ruthenia, and Moscow did not exist at the time. In 1991, Ukraine became an independent state with internationally recognized borders.
7. The idea of Ukrainians as a separate nation emerged in Poland.
The process of self-defining of Ukrainians as a separate ethnic group was paralleled by similar processes in 19th century Europe. Nobody “invented” the Ukrainian nation.
8. NATO bases have been set up on the territory of Ukraine.
There are no NATO bases on the territory of Ukraine.
9. Two coups d’etat were committed in Ukraine to artificially break its ties with Russia.
During the Orange Revolution, the Ukrainian nation opposed to rigged elections. Holding a next round of voting allowed President Viktor Yushchenko to actually win the majority of votes. After the Revolution of Dignity, President Petro Poroshenko democratically won the presidential election.
10. In 2014, Moscow was forced to defend Crimea because it was in jeopardy.
There was no threat to Crimea in 2014. The Revolution of Dignity led to a peaceful change of power through democratic elections. Russia’s “little green men” appeared in Crimea to destabilise the situation in Ukraine.
Keep babbling.
If you don’t understand Stalin’s role with Hitler in starting WW2
then you don’t understand Putin’s lies and why he’s saying these things in 2024.
Remember who impeached Trump. It was Ukrainings. We sat and listened to people in side our government who were English and Ukrainian impeach our president because he asked about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.
This is not a war of good and evil. Its a war of evil in our country and outside our country.
Trump was against this war. Our current president, Biden was taking bribes. We are not on the good side. In fact there may be no good side other than to stay out of this war.
The whole reason the swamp is attacking Trump with everything they got is because he will end this war. This war is the most illegal thing in our country’s history. 100s of Billions of dollars are going who knows where. Who is being paid off and for what. We know over half a million people are dead. The evil in this war knows no bounds. Just because Putin is evil it does not mean there are any angles on the other side.
We have very uninformed people here who watched a tv show or read an article and then want to tell others how stupid they are.
They can write long rambling comments and yet they have no sense of the reality of Hitler, Stalin and WW2.
I get tired of frigging fools telling me that I “only read one book” about WW2 and “it was really our fault over oil” and the “government has always been lying to you”.
Meanwhile my degree is in history with a life long interest in WW2 and world affairs. But some drunken dope is here telling me to believe Putin on WW2.
#41: thanks, I saved that one.
Only the willfully blind and terminally stupid can’t now see the Nazi traits in the DNA of Russian chauvinists like Putin after this. Genocidal Nazism is in the very fabric of Russian history and society to this very day.
You will feel better if you actually think. How many Ukrainian citizens voted in the US House of Representatives to impeach President Trump?
The answer is none.
The people in the State Department who attempted to frame President Trump included Alexander Vindman, who spent the first three years of his life living in the Soviet Union. And then he came to the USA with his father and grew up here.
If you are mad about Vindman, you should be mad at the Soviet Russians, because when he was born he was a Russian, not a Ukrainian, because at that point Russia was in control of Ukraine.
The people going after President Trump were American liberal Democrats, just like the people who launched the fake Russian investigation, and the long list of corrupt Democrats who are still persecuting President Trump, are Americans, not Ukrainians.
And in case you didn't know, the "100s of Billions of dollars" are less than that, and mostly going to American factory workers at places like Raytheon, Boeing, BAE, General Dynamics, and the Lake City Ammunition plant.
Months before Russia and Germany signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, Hitler and Ribbentrop proposed to Poland that they join the Anti-Comintern Pact, the alliance between Germany and Russia's enemy Japan. It was only after Poland rejected the offer that Hitler decided to ally with Stalin to split Poland and the rest of Europe.
80 years ago Józef Beck met with Hitler and Ribbentrop
Of course, Poland already had a non-aggression treaty with Russia. One thing that is clear is that neither Hitler nor Stalin cared about honoring treaties any more than they cared about the lives of the millions they murdered.
I find it interesting that some people have a problem with you pointing out what is obviously lies, propaganda and revisionist history.
Well said. Carlson was not there to argue with Putin, but to get Putin’s thoughts on the table. That allows others, such as the Polish Foreign Ministry in this article, something concrete to contest with facts and argument.
Putin’s comments about Poland were very off the mark, and I doubt very much that he believed most of it himself. The entire historical presentation is an ideological narrative Putin has contrived to justify his policies whenever he sees fit.
Fiona Hill (british), Marie Yovanovitch (Ukrainian and Canadian) and Alexander Vindman(Ukrainian).
And Raytheon Boeing BAE and General Dynamics are all NGOs controled by the NSA. Our top military employees go back and forth between the boards of these companies and our government. They are paid millions to sit on their boards.
Just because American companies are getting some of the money it does not mean that the money should be spent.
The Ukrainian war is a boondoggle. Millionaires and billionaires are being created both inside and outside of our country. The war has killed half a million people at least. There is nothing good in it. Our side is just as evil as the other side. Our government is corrupt through and through. Just like with covid, the fact that millions die does not seem to matter to our government. Hitler, Goebbels, Mengele are just keeping the seats in Hell warm for many in our government.
In Russia, that's how it works. In the west, we expect our journalists to push back when a politician avoids or outright lies in response to a question. When journalists let Biden, Obama, Clinton and others spout lies without push back, we rightfully criticize them.
Of course, Carlson was way out of his depth with this interview. Putin obviously knew that, and played with him like a cat with a mouse. In the end, Tucker gave Putin, a man responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, an outlet to push his propaganda. It's OK to criticize him for falling far short of our standards.
Pretty concerning when I guy with his finger on the button justifies his actions as on the level with what Hitler did.......
Yep send Ukraine all the aid they want....
when a guy
There is a difference between the people in the US and the government.
Americans are generous with charity, many volunteer and church membership as well as morals are important for many. A great percentage still attend religious services.
But our government is for sale, the laws and bureaucracy is secular, our national policies are mostly amoral, globalist and guided by economic interests.
The dichotomy between the people and their government is huge.
Somewhere along the way, our national government stoped being by and for the people.
Frankly, our government is no different than Russia. We live in a society that claims to be a republic but we don’t really follow the Constitution (name me one of the Bill of Rights which has not been abridged?). We pretend to be a democracy, but that is highly questionable. The Intel service and federal law enforcement get used in political games. You have a handful of large corporations, financial institutions and oligarchs who have a disproportionate influence on government. You have censorship, a media that is acts like an extension of the polit bureau for one of the parties, government sponsored information operations on their own public, a total lack of privacy in what amounts to a police state. Both nations use their military to advance their foreign policies. Both nations are willing to violate basic human rights, lie and cheat regards agreements, are willing to kidnap, torture and assassinate.
Both Russia and the US are the two nations on which the world runs: these two control the real estate from where gas and oil on a global scale comes from.
The US happens to be bigger economically, more populous, militarily more powerful, and we are gobbling up the smaller and weaker one, examples: Syria, Iraq, Libya, Venezuela and Niger. All major oil producing nations aligned with Russia and where we are trying to tear them under our control, all awhile we scream how Russia is a threat to us and expansionist.
What really is the difference between us and Russia? We speak English and the guys that run the place have names like Soros, Gates, Bourla, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Fink, and Dimon. In Russia they speak Russian and the people that run the place have names like Timchemko, Potanin, Alekperov, Abramovich, Usmanov, Deripaska, and Fradkov.
So our oligarchs decided they want what the Russian oligarchs posses, and out come the BS arguments of democracy, sovereignty, and human rights on our side. While on the Russian side the BS arguments of denazification are played up. The real motive is money, greed, and the rest is just stupid eyewash, a dumb story to get people to support something which has ZERO to do with our national security (no one can formulate a viable national security argument for why we are in Ukraine). And of course this “noble cause” is brought to you by a MSM which is outright owned or entirely beholden to these same oligarchs.
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