Posted on 01/28/2024 7:34:12 PM PST by ConservativeMind
I go to an excellent chiropractor every so often.
Known him for years and was a patient of the guy who trained him long before.
Perfect example of why these Medexpress articles are of questionable value. Some are great. This one is awful.
I say it this way; "Chiropractic always works...Chiropractors do not always work."
I want to thank you for being a reasoned, logical voice on this topic.
I am often disappointed in the judgmental epithets that are ignorantly thrown around here.
Chiropractic evolved from bonesettingwhich has been around for thousands of years - even before Hippocrates!
One famous bonesetter was Dr. Reese:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D._Reese
Interesting story, the medical doctors in Ohio tried to quash his practice (he was upstaging them, doncha know) - long story short - he helped the crippled woman they had presented him with (as a test and a trap). They granted him a license!
I know what you mean-exactly.
There was a time, a long time ago, when Chiropractic was largely unregulated, and there were older practitioners who should not have been practicing, people who WERE “quacks”. That largely ended in the Seventies, if I read the histories correctly.
I keep in mind that there were people practicing medicine, physicians, who were really “quacks” as well, and far more of them, under a legal shield of the AMA.
Now, even the medical community has grudgingly accepted that Chiropractic has a place. Even professional sport teams have Chiropractors on retainer, and some of them even perform adjustments on the sideline during televised games.
In the end, whether someone understands or believes in Chiropractic or not, empirically, it works. I certainly know it from being in the healthcare industry, but I also know it from intimate firsthand knowledge as a chiropractic patient.
Interesting video, and that was a while back. I did note that someone hypothesized that if Joe Montana had employed chiropractic earlier, he might not have needed the back surgery he got, but...the chiropractor in question who was treated him was quick to say he didn’t think that is a given.
Which is correct.
Chiropractic is not for everything. If you have a broken bone, dislocated joint, an injured spinal disc, or a severe sprain or torn ligament, chiropractic may not only not help, it may make the situation worse with injudicious application.
That is the key. Modern chiropractors are all in on eliminating “injudicious application” in the same way Physicians SHOULD be as well.
And usually are...but not always as we see.
“That largely ended in the Seventies, if I read the histories correctly.”
I rented a house to a chiropractor in the 1980s. When he left, he kept receiving a chiropractic magazine in my mailbox.
Curious, I opened to a page that read, “How to fill your waiting room”.
While there was a last page with an excellent column with proper medical nomenclature, that “filling your waiting room” left me with a sour feeling.
Never been to a chiropractor. People keep having to return to get “cracked” again!
Absolutely. I get how that would be unseemly to see that in a waiting room.
But I challenge you to make that same comparison to standard private medical practice, something I have experience with. You don’t think they have the equivalent of “How to Fill Your Waiting Room”?
I can tell you, the darn well do. Even perversely so.
Did you see the video within the last year or two on the hospital down South where the administrators talked at a conference (that someone recorded and put out on the Internet) about sex change programs as being “revenue enhancers” to the organization? Do you think they are the ONLY ones there?
They aren’t. And it is disgusting.
And you are correct-people DO go back to “get cracked” again and again. I have.
As you may see from my post above regarding my own history I had an underlying back issue caused by a high school football injury and three to four times a year, I would be completely incapacitated (while undergoing traditional hospital-based medical treatment involving ice/heat/medication/exercises) and I was in severe pain perhaps 50% of the time, and functionally operational with pain the rest of the time. I was in near constant pain, and traditional medicine did absolutely no good.
There was a time I had to go to work because I had patients scheduled and there was no backup. I had to hobble into the front entrance to the hospital, a 35 year old man, bent over at an angle, able to put one foot only six inches in front of the other, sweating the entire time. It was the “Tim Conway Shuffle” except he could move faster than I could. When I walked in to my first patient, she looked at me and gasped, turning pale.
She said: “I saw you walk in through the entrance-I thought you were a patient here!”
When I started going to the chiropractor, I was going up to three or four times a week when I was in crisis. Over the years, I have gotten it down to once a month, unless I step off a curb wrong, where I have to get an immediate appointment.
And even if I am in crisis, and my entire back is in a spasm, I can get manipulated (”cracked”) and I can walk out standing up straight, walking normally, will little or even no pain. Sometimes, I get home and I am still not right, and have to go back again within a day or two
But the money I have spent over the years, every single cent of it, I would unhesitatingly spend again. Now, I can lead a near normal life with little to no pain.
And you cannot put a price tag on being pain-free. You just can’t. Even at twice the cost, I would still pay to get an adjustment.
If you’re prone to any problem - say, sinus infections - you often have to seek treatment more than once. Nobody ever said that chiropractic can solve every problem once and forever.
If you think there is nothing to it, I won't try to dissuade you, but see the link at post #20 by Freeper spankalib, and you have to ask yourself the question: Why would a football team allow someone practicing crystals and aroma therapy to perform manipulations (at practices and on the field, no less) on their top two multimillion dollar athletes (Joe Montana and Jerry Rice) if they thought there was nothing to it?
Anyway, I do apologize. I have enjoyed civil discourse with you over the years here, and I don't have an excuse for being uncivil to you in this instance. I hope you can accept that apology.
Well, a “chiroquacter” is paying my wife $75Kfor the damages he did as well as paying for the surgery to correct his stupidity. The MD who recommended this adjustment is next on our list.
I don’t need a lot more experience with an “art” founded by a quack who claimed he could treat stomach cancer with a spinal adjustment.
Chiropractic was founded by a quack who claimed he could treat stomach cancer with spinal adjustments. So far, no cure
Chiropractic was founded by a quack who claimed he could treat stomach cancer with spinal adjustments. So far, no cure
It isn’t worth it, apparently, to discuss the issue with some people who will carry that ignorance to their death bed and have their fingers jammed into their ears.
Power to him/her/it.
Thanks.
BKMK
My daughter was diagnosed with scoliosis in grade school. The bone specialist wanted to insert rods on either side of her spine to make it “grow straight”. I got online and found horrendous photos of spines bending around those rods and making the problem worse.
Friend who was a chiropractor gave her several treatments, which stopped the curving from getting worse, then suggested The Alexander Technique, gentle lessons that encouraged the neck to be free, to allow the head to go forward and up, to let the spine lengthen and back widen. Etc. In other words, she learned to move without putting any downward pressure in the wrong places.
When her spine began to improve, I asked the MD if he would like to know what we were doing, He said NO. And that was the end of my trust in the medical community.
Fortunately I now have a great MD, but he wasn’t trained in the US where med schools are funded by Big Pharma. So he prescribes 12 supplements for me that keep me very very healthy. In the last 15 years, I had one cold, lasted five days. No Covid shots, just natural immunity. Doc in on that too.
We are dedicated to prevention rather than cures for almost all medical conditions. Break a leg? I did and have two MDs for that. And am grateful for their expertise and one has a great sense of humor.
I saved my back due to an Asian guy that taught me yoga in a C-store. 3 disks out and non-stop pain. They’re all back in and have stayed in. It was a visit to a chiropractor that caused the 1st herniation in my late 20’s.
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