Posted on 01/13/2024 10:02:58 AM PST by Red Badger
It isn’t dying back. A few of the companies have had some missteps. But just like how the cable dial did nothing but grow until it got replace streaming is just growing.
You’re wrong. Streaming is ALREADY replacing cable and satellite. You don’t have to be tech savvy to do it. Just get a smart TV and open up an app. Frankly it’s easier than setting up cable was in the box days. Most of the stuff I told you about I didn’t figure out from being tech savvy, I read emails from Amazon. Once you’re on Prime Amazon sends you emails a couple times a week. “Oh you’re giving away this channel during a week I’m on vacation, awesome”.
It’s not actually terribly expensive to run a streaming company. Really you just rent some space on EWS, put some stuff and give it a front end. There will be no shake out. You’re saying all the same things cable naysayers said in the mid 80s. They were wrong. You are wrong.
No question, streaming is replacing some cable/satellite users that have been gouged, when the shake out of the streaming business takes place, the weak financial companies will drop out and the few remaining will begin to jack up the cost, the cable/satellite companies will lower their price in the end both will be comparably priced.
The reason streaming services are losing money is the cost of content, the NFL was paid $110 million by Peacock to stream one NFL game, that is unsustainable over the long run.
Streaming services also require a good internet connection that the streaming companies don’t control, if you have 10 TVs, satellite/cable work the same on 10 versus 1 TV, you had better have a really good internet connection if you have a family of 2 gamers and two adults all streaming and that will end up costing you.
Millions of Americans including myself who is a 38 year veteran of the tech industry just want to turn on the TV and select something to watch, switching back and forth to streaming service is not user friendly right now.
Just a quick article on the huge loses for the steaming service companies.
https://the-media-leader.com/how-much-money-have-streaming-services-lost/
No. When the “shakeout” happens these companies will get bought by the big dogs.
Here’s the thing that’s going to make sure streaming replaces cable: nobody in the cable business likes each other. The networks hate the fact that they have to argue with the cable companies about what package they’re in and use them to make money. And cable companies hate the fact that the networks are constantly trying to leverage they’re related channels into the basic package. Everybody is going to be way happier when the cable companies become “just” internet providers, and the networks are “just” streaming services.
Oh that’s just dumb math. The whole” $110 million thing is complete horse crap. That’s the per game cost of NBC’s deal with the NFL. And then they used it as they chose to. The reason networks buy sports in general, and NFL in particular, is that it’s the only thing around that’s mostly viewed live. Meaning people actually get exposed to the commercials. So the ad rate is higher, which is nice, but also they get to promote THEMSELVES. Self commercials are hugely important, heck it’s only way most folks even find out about shows. And NBC understands that, and used it. There were about twice as many self ads in the streaming game as the broadcast game.
If your cable can handle that bandwidth as cable, it can handle that bandwidth as internet.
And you can do that with streaming. As I already told you. Frankly if you run a bunch of streaming services through Amazon you can do that BETTER with streaming than cable. On cable you need to remember what channel that’s on. Using Prime as your streaming hub, you don’t need to remember anything other than the name.
Except we all know all Hollywood numbers are complete lies. Ask anybody with points on profit. Nothing has ever made a profit. Ever. And yet nobody goes bankrupt.
The streaming services that will survive are one that get bought out by larger companies, Apple’s streaming service will likely survive, I think they will eventually buy out ESPN.
IMO, streaming services are like EVs, they were all the rage, ICE cars were old and outdated, except they aren’t, EVs are a niche vehicle, who one day might be mainstream, right now they are not, streaming services are same IMO, they are losing billions, they will eventually combine with each other, get bought out by a larger company or go out of business.
I spent 38 years in the IT world and bandwidth from streaming companies and cable/satellite companies is completely different.
Cable/Satellite companies send their entire package in one stream, each user that streams something gets an individual stream, if someone is watching a movie on netflix and another user starts watching another movie, that’s 2 stream, each person playing game gets a stream, if not dial up modems would still be the norm, they got replaced by DSL and Cable Modems which are now getting replaced by fiber optic cables that can handle orders of magnitude more data.
A simple coax cable from a cable company is all they need to broadcast their entire package.
Sports bars are going to be in a bind, if they have 20-30 TVs all streaming games, plus every customer has a phone in their pocket likely connected to their Wifi and really quickly they will have bandwidth issues.
Sports bars don’t have anywhere near the infrastructure to handle a large number of streams and provide Wifi as well.
Cable/Satellite companies are basically multicast environments, streaming services are basically unicast service, they are quite different.
https://castr.com/blog/unicast-vs-multicast-vs-broadcast/
Apple isn’t buying out ESPN. ESPN is owned by the Mouse. Nobody buys out the Mouse.
Your O is quite simply wrong. The thing with streaming is that it does everything cable was ever good at better than cable, and doesn’t do any of the things cable sucks at. You want tons of choices available with a couple clicks of the remote? The stream has EVERYTHING. You want to watch on your own schedule? No problem, that’s actually what streaming is best at. Want to get rid of commercials? Just a couple of bucks.
See you just actually explained why streaming is better than cable. Yes cable shoves it ALL down the pipe. Streaming only shoves what you ASKED for down the pipe. And cable isn’t being replaced by fiber. Fiber got beat by cable. Really what they’re ALL being replaced with is 5G. Forget the pipe. It’s the olden times. But even now I know plenty of households where everybody is watching something different on the stream and nobody is having an issue.
The other thing you’re forgetting about is people. Most importantly young people. Once kids who grew up with cable became adults all those technical “problems” cable had went away because they grew up with it. They understood the cable box and how to plug it in and change channels. Well Gen Z don’t know cable. They’ve grown up streaming. Between YouTube and Netflix they’re all about the magnifying lens. They don’t know how to find channels on cable, and they don’t care. They’re why streaming will win.
Before declaring I’m simply wrong about something, make sure all your research is done.
https://frontofficesports.com/amazon-joins-growing-list-of-suitors-in-talks-with-disney-about-espn/
Disney is losing billions, their theme parks are way off, their movies are bombing, their streaming service is losing money along with ESPN and it’s reflected in their stock price, Disney is already trying to sell part or all of ESPN.
What is going to happen is cable/Satellite companies will get more price competitive, streaming services will get more expensive to stem the billions they are currently losing and once price parity happens, people will start between the services.
As I mentioned my 38 years in the tech industry has convinced me, what is an old idea today will be new in the future and what is a new idea today will be old in the future.
A perfect example of that is the entire “Cloud” industry, everything is moving to the cloud, except the “Cloud” concept has been around since the last 70s early 80s, back then it was called a service bureau, the cloud today is the exact same concept with modern technology.
Ross Perot became a billionaire using the Cloud Concept, except he called it a service bureau.
You are simply wrong.
No the cable/ satellite service will just become ISPs. Which they already are. There’s a reason these guys diversified 25 years ago. They knew the constant battles with the networks was an unsustainable model. And the internet was rising. And they had a way into every house. So they started selling something else, ANYTHING else, they could put over that cable.
I don’t care about your 38 years in the tech industry. I’ve been there for 30 years and MY experience tells me things NEVER go backwards. I remember in the 90s when everybody was talking about bringing dumb terminals back. And I laughed. And I was right.
Actually the cloud as it sits now is different. This biggest thing is off sourcing maintenance. Also replication. Better security. I mean I see the link but basically the cloud is looking at service bureau and saying “cute start, let’s make it actually useful.”
I’m not wrong, I never said Cable/Satellite companies will become ISPs that’s a strawman argument, actually some cable companies are ISPs, Xfinity for one, they also provide voice services in some cases.
Cloud Providers are the exact same concept as Service Bureaus from the 70s and 80s with modern technology which exactly what I said previously.
They haven’t gone backwards, but cloud providers have taken an old idea and made it new, it’s hugely successful now, in 5-10 years that trend will start to reverse.
It’s like mainframes and dumb terminals was and old idea, it was replaced by client/server models with “thin clients”, same concept new technology.
Sorry I missed a comma. What meant was that they’ll be getting OUT of the cable business and they’re primary money will be ISPs. Like I said, they all started diversifying in the late 90s because they understood the middleman business sucks.
No, cloud companies are not just service bureaus. There’s a lot more to it.
Here’s your problem. You keep thinking serious changes to the business model is “same concept new technology”. It isn’t. There are MASSIVE differences between the mainframe terminal model, and the client server model, and the thin client mode, and the cloud model.
And streaming is here to stay.
As I’ve repeated multiple times, the concept of cloud computing vs service bureaus is the exact same concept using modern technologies, that is absolutely true.
It’s the same idea of Mainframe and dumb terminals versus client/server thin clients with modern technology.
As I’ve repeated multiple times, the concept of cloud computing vs service bureaus is the exact same concept using modern technologies, that is absolutely true.
It’s the same idea of Mainframe and dumb terminals versus client/server thin clients with modern technology.
It isn’t. Saying it over and over again doesn’t make it true. It just shows you don’t actually know what you’re talking about and are unwilling to listen.
So we’re done. Bye, have a great day.
The difference I’m not trying to convince you I’m right or your wrong,
The other big example is Amazon, they aren’t really a new concept, Sear-Roebuck had the same concept years ago, they had the catalog, you called them up, ordered your good, they shipped them to you or you went into their brick and mortar stores for the product.
Amazon comes along and says, we can do the same thing over the internet and a website, then ship it overnight to customers.
The Internet didn’t exist and overnight shipping didn’t exist when Sears-Roebuck was at this height.
Same concept new technology.
But again you’re just looking at the surface. And ignoring everything else Amazon has become. This is the part you keep ignoring about everything. You just look at the surface and say “same thing” when you look at the guts it isn’t. You’re afraid of thee guts. Because they prove you wrong. Now really, buh bye
Not when Amazon first started, they were Sear-Roebuck with the internet, online shopping and overnight shipping, same concept new technology, even their AWS is an old concept with new technologies.
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