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To: MayflowerMadam
---- "So she DOES live in Ukraine? I'm confused. She says she's American. She says she's Ukrainian. Sounds like a scam or something. Guess I'll avoid her. (Did she not get that Zelensky and Putin are equally corrupt?)"

One tiptoes close to being accused of doxxing. She is an elderly American, whose singular passion on Free Republic seems to be to lobby for the Zelensky government.

"Did she not get that Zelensky and Putin are equally corrupt?" She and some of her apologists play as argument the fact that Ukraine's government under several administrations is marginally less corrupt than Russia's several last administrations. Marginally.

Europe and the US have lavished enormous materiel and cash on the current Ukrainian administration, as to support a proxy war against Russia. It is not turning out to be as simple as the Blinken-Nuland scheme expected it to be. Such that most recently it has been reported that:

Austin Warns Congress Failing to Pass Ukraine Aid ‘Very Likely’ Leads to US Troops on the Ground In Europe Messenger, 5 December 2023

Lloyd Austin Threatens to Deploy Troops if Ukraine Aid is Shut Down American Greatness, 6 December 2023

Thus, the above shows how "all in" the Biden administration is that notions of doing as DoD's Austin hints at is now "on the table." The choices seem clear. Time for some kind of settlement, as say some in DC as in the Washington Post.

What is foreseeable is that any end to the war will put the monetized YouTube cottage industry and its associated "merch" businesses out of business. Those resident here in the states will be, as Limbaugh used to say, "hardest hit."

What is demonstrable is that she posts much from the Zelensky government, including that from Censor, as well as "ministry" statements, and as such daily promotes that public relations, AKA propaganda.

Please note: propaganda is a neutral term, as all sides use the media and press to "message." The messaging on these threads is propaganda for the Zelensky government.

33 posted on 12/10/2023 3:20:29 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time; MayflowerMadam; UMCRevMom@aol.com; deks; Monterrosa-24
Worldtraveler once upon a time: "Please note: propaganda is a neutral term, as all sides use the media and press to "message."
The messaging on these threads is propaganda for the Zelensky government."

And thus do some of our anti-Ukers pull the curtain back on their own pro-Soviet training.
In fact, the word "propaganda" in American usage always implies lies & distortions for political purposes.
There is no "good" or "neutral" sense of the word "propaganda" as Americans use it.

There is, of course, in other languages and more scholarly discourse, where "propaganda" can mean simply a government's sales pitch or "messaging" on any topic.

The most notable example of this is the Old Soviet Communist "Ministry for Agitation and Propaganda" -- hence, "agit-prop".

Those are scholarly definitions, but in fact, Americans don't distinguish between "propaganda" and "agitation" because, so far as we're concerned, they are both lies or distortions for political purposes.

Today in Russia "agitation" and "propaganda" are responsibilities of Roskomnadzor -- the Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media -- as part of the Ministry of Digital Development, Communications and Mass Media of the Russian Federation (MinTsifry Rossii), as such, components of information warfare waged against Russia's enemies on media forums worldwide, including possibly even here.

I think Russian propaganda can be distinguished by crude messages sometimes delivered in slick "meme" packages, similar to those we see here from our mocker and cheerful.

144 posted on 12/11/2023 9:47:51 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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