EVs Have 79% More Reliability Problems Than Gas Vehicles

America First Report ^ | Cassie B.

[jonrick46]

The railroading of America into EVs is a national security risk. Our nations’ transportation system is in great peril because ignorant, short-sighted ideologues are destroying the versatility of gas driven energy. They have no regard to the extent our electrical infrastructure is required in order to carry the electrical demands of an all-electric transportation system. Electrical blackouts will become a way of life and power surges will fry all of our electronics if we don’t put expensive main panel surge protectors on our electric systems.

[Fresh Wind]

More than you ever want to know about rechargeable batteries:

https://batteryuniversity.com/

[Tell It Right]

In my experience, at three years cellphone batteries are somewhere between 30 and 50% of their original capacity, and that is with charging every three or four days. If EV batteries follow the same trajectory they would be borderline unusable in three years given that you are not supposed to use more than 60% of their capacity in the first place.

I was worried about the same thing until I realized that phones are charged at a much higher speed relative to battery size than EV's are.

Charging time for my phone from 0% to 100% with my stock 5W charger: 190 minutes (3.2 hours). Charging time for my EV charging at my usual lowest Level 2 charging speed (5.6kW) from 0% to 100%: 13.8 hours.

I charge the EV slowly both to extend battery life and to minimize how often the total load of my electrical panels exceeds my solar inverter capacity so that I minimize how often I pull from the grid.

I usually charge it from 40% to 80%, not 0% to 100% (going to 100% once per month to reset the battery cells, or if I'm about to head out on a long trip). I don't even charge it to 80% every day (if the EV range is more than what we need for the next day's driving we'll charge it further to 80% only if it's a good solar day with free power). And so far I haven't seen a reduction in range in the 17 months and 40K miles we've driven it.

At least that's my use and experience. I don't know about with others.

[blitz128]

Here are some non car related questions
What is insurance like for EVs
What kind of extra fees are charged for EVS, think in ohio there are increased costs for tags and maybe some other fees, govt is not going to let you get away without paying “gas tax” one way or the other

Long term repairs, the obvious is battery replacement, but what about drive train? I can replace and engine and trans, but all the gadgets in an EV, doubt I can run down to autozone or jegs for that

Imagine repair market is controlled by dealerships, so little competition

[mewzilla]

Meanwhile, from Upstate NY...

'They have to do something about it': Why drivers say New York State needs more working EV chargers

Note the people whining: No, Deep State doesn't have to do a damn thing. EVs aren't about saving the planet, you silly sods.

EVs are about bankrupting your butts.

EVs are about restricting your ability to travel.

Take your brains outta neutral before it's too late.

[Prov1322]

The old 4 cylinder Volvos were rock solid.

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Had a 64 544 and a 67 122 Wagon, both with B18D engines (with over 150K miles on each when I got them...) that were indestructible!

[Tell It Right]

What is insurance like for EVs What kind of extra fees are charged for EVS, think in ohio there are increased costs for tags and maybe some other fees, govt is not going to let you get away without paying “gas tax” one way or the other

Good questions. The same ones I researched 2 years ago when I realized that it was about time to replace my wife's ICE crossover and I wondered if it'd be best to replace it with another used ICE crossover (we're big about not buying new cars), a new ICE crossover, or a new EV crossover (if getting an EV I figured it should be new so I'd know the battery wasn't mistreated with nothing but fast charging, etc.). We went with the EV.

My car insurance increased by $40/month, but that's only because we went from liability only coverage of an old used car to full coverage of a new car (EV). There's no EV rider adding to my insurance. But I'm sure the EV costing more than a comparable new ICE car means my insurance premiums are probably $5 or $10 more per month.

In Alabama I pay a $200 EV fee annually when renewing the car tag (registering the car). I'm not complaining. IMHO that's a reasonable charge to offset the fact that we're not paying gas taxes (except what little we drive the ICE pickup). But it's part of the math when I listed the pros and cons of each car type before buying one.

If I had to replace the main battery in my EV (not a Tesla) it'd cost about $10K if it wasn't under warranty. For what it's worth, we were replacing our used ICE cars on average every 7 years, and I was surprised that buying a used ICE crossover with under 90K miles would have cost $10K. I don't know if used car prices have gone down now or what they'd be 7 years later when I'd hypothetically replace it again with another used ICE crossover. But that was a factor in my math that buying an EV was good for our situation (certainly not for everybody).

With all of that IMHO 12K miles per year is the threshold for how much you have to drive an EV for the gas savings and oil change savings and brake pad savings to be worth the increase in power bill and insurance and car tag renewal and tire usage. That's assuming prices I see in Alabama this past year (gas hovering around $3/gallon and power at 16¢/kWh after the power company adds the 4¢/kWh fuel rate rider and the state adds the 4% state tax). If we go back to Trump era energy prices from year 2019 (I hate using year 2020 as a basis since covid distorted gas prices) then the threshold is about 15K or 16K miles per year.

If you produce about 80% of your power free from solar like we do then the threshold is about 8K miles per year. In the past 12 months we drove ours 26K miles, with 16K of those miles charged at home. So obviously the EV works well for our situation. But I don't recommend an EV for everybody. Each couple should do the research and math for their situation. And I certainly hate the Dims forcing EV's onto us with the one-size-fits-nobody mentality.

[blitz128]

Thanks
Good information, I wonder if insurance costs will remain steady if issues like battery fires continue, and if govts decide to creep up taxes like per mile taxing…

Repair costs are still an outstanding question, curious to see where that goes.

A used ev without a battery warranty sounds like a scary prospect.

lol need a pickup, not seen good reviews on most and Tesla pickup, well can’t get past the looks and cost.

Bought a 2014 f-150 several years ago with 120k, now over 260. Average 19mpg and only basic maintenance needed, but I have used and abused the hell out of it something I don’t think I would do with a Tesla lol

Other questions on EVs still remain, environmental impact, grid capability

[bray]

And you will like it Comrade.

[butlerweave]

Another government disaster is a coming

[Blood of Tyrants]

Yes, fewer moving parts, but more complicated controls. The more components, the more points of failure.

[Yardstick]

2.4 liters is big for a 4 cylinder. Same displacement as Toyota’s 22R which I think is the biggest 4 cylinder they made.

[Tell It Right]

Yeah, I wouldn't get an EV pickup as much as I use one for pickup chores. Perhaps if they were making small EV pickups they'd be more practical for some use cases. For example, when I had a 4-cyl Ranger for 17 years I rarely used it as a pickup (otherwise I would have gotten a larger pickup, which I did later after I got older and took on more pickup projects for my family and church).

In my small pickup days it was mainly for commuting to work and college (working full time while slowly getting a BS in computer science, then later when college was done it was mainly for work) with an every now and then dirty small haul (i.e. lawn equipment casually thrown in the back). Looking back in hindsight, those days would have been a good use case for me having an EV pickup if they had been a thing back then and if they made EV pickups small.

But even with that there are still other things like IMHO don't get an EV unless you have two cars (i.e. married) so that one can be an ICE car in case you decide to go on a trip that's bad for an EV (no good fast chargers that way). Besides, I don't like having all of my transportation eggs in one basket. If the Dims mess up gasoline supply again and/or gas is too expensive to use regularly (IMHO it's still too high), we have an EV. If the Dims make power undependable and/or too expensive (dependable here in Alabama, but the Dims are making it more expensive) -- we have an ICE car. That's one of the main reasons we have an EV -- diversification of what we depend on for transportation.

[Yardstick]

FWIW, Tesla has switched the batteries in most of its vehicles to a type called LFP (lithium ferrous phosphate) which is far less prone to catching on fire. Self induced thermal runaway is basically impossible with LFP from what I’ve read. It also doesn’t use cobalt or other rare earth materials that are hard to source, and it is fairly easy to recycle. A number of other EV companies have adopted the LFP batteries as well.

I’m starting to think that battery technology isn’t going to be the big problem for EVs. Instead it’s going to be the power infrastructure, which has two parts: generation and distribution. My sense is that the Left is on the cusp of a spectacular reversal of its position on nuclear power and will soon be pushing for its adoption as the primary energy source for the developed world. The resulting greenlighting of new nuclear power plants will solve the power generation problem. Along with this will be a massive federally sponsored build out of the distribution infrastructure which will solve the distribution problem.

The Democrats will lead the charge on all of this and the Republicans will go along with it.

I think adoption of EVs will proceed in fits and starts but is basically baked into the cake at this point. The big dealbreaker problems all have solutions in the works.

[PLMerite]

[Last year Finland announced a new EV charger that would charge the EV battery in 15 minutes. No word on the immediate or lifetime damage to the battery.]

What’s the EV equivalent of KY ?

[woodbutcher1963]

I had two 240 Volvos. A 4 door 1976.
It was a standard.
The previously mentioned tank.
It was stolen from the place replacing the clutch at 90K miles.

So, I bought an 82 2 door automatic 240.
It supposedly only has 48K miles.
Turned out that the guy who sold it to me turned back the odometer.
It had over 100K miles.
I found that out because the original owner of the car told me that in the Anchor Bar in Buffalo. He saw it in the parking lot and then gave me the history of the car.

I traded it in based on the advice of my mechanic.
I bought my first brand new vehicle ever. A 1988 Toyota 4WD pickup with the 4 cylinder 2.4 liter engine. Eventually known as the Official Vehicle of the Taliban

[nicollo]

My ‘05 2.5 L straight-five coffee-can pusher is still going strong as a daily driver.

[Yardstick]

Those 240s are classics. Volvo produced them with only minor changes until 1993, a run of almost 20 years.