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To: tennmountainman; bert
tennmountainman: "What I do despise is Ukraine propaganda being posted every night on this site.
I would say the same about Russia Propaganda being posted on this site as well.
There is a difference in credible news and Propaganda."

Can we agree that propaganda is not just, like beauty, in the eyes of the beholder?
Can we agree that propaganda is defined objectively as: lies or distortions weaponized for political purposes?

If so, the allegations of "propaganda" should be accompanied by lists of examples, explaining what, exactly, are the lies or distortions they contain.

I've seen nothing that looks like "propaganda" posted in defense of Ukraine, while there've been endless unwarranted vicious personal attacks posted by our anti-Ukers, clearly qualifying as propaganda.

If you are going to claim "propaganda", then the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate exactly which words you mean and why they are false or distorted.

101 posted on 12/07/2023 5:40:46 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK; tennmountainman
--- "If you are going to claim 'propaganda', then the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate exactly which words you mean and why they are false or distorted."

Codswallop.

The definition of propaganda points to BOTH sides as represented in threads like these, with one side trying to line up the "not my war" views as "pro-P," which is itself propaganda.

REAL definitions of propaganda....

2
: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3
: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause

Merrian-Webster -- propaganda

"information, ideas, opinions, or images, often only giving one part of an argument, that are broadcast, published, or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions:" Cambridge Dictionary - propaganda

"In the 20th century, the English term propaganda was often associated with a manipulative approach, but historically, propaganda has been a neutral descriptive term of any material that promotes certain opinions or ideologies.[1][3] Equivalent non-English terms have also largely retained the original neutral connotation."

Wiki - propaganda

Propaganda. Russian propaganda. Ukrainian propaganda. British propaganda. And so forth....

As was written: "The source for my opinions is me, BroJoeK."

Last I'd read, Mr. Robinson hoped for less propaganda. To whom was that remark addressed? That same Mr. Robinson observed that this war is "controversial." And so it is.

106 posted on 12/07/2023 6:59:40 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: BroJoeK

The proof is that Davydov is not a Journalist.
He is a Draft Dodger living large in Switzerland.
Fox News is a credible source.
CNN can be credible at times.
But a Draft Dodger posting updates on a YouTube Channel?
Not a credible source.
Thus Propaganda.


108 posted on 12/07/2023 7:57:10 AM PST by tennmountainman (FUJB)
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