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To: BroJoeK
Ukraine's "offensive capabilities" are merely terrorist attacks. When comes to fighting the Russians on the frontlines, the Ukrainians lack manpower, air support, tanks and ammo.

You don't seem to grasp the Russian objective is grind the Ukrainian military into dust. When that's accomplished (and it is very close to being accomplished), Ukraine unconditionally surrenders or a Russian offensive will sweep all the way to the Dnieper river.

79 posted on 12/02/2023 8:00:53 PM PST by Kazan
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To: Kazan; Rdct29; UMCRevMom@aol.com
Kazan: "Ukraine's "offensive capabilities" are merely terrorist attacks.
When comes to fighting the Russians on the frontlines, the Ukrainians lack manpower, air support, tanks and ammo."

If you will confess that Russian missile & drone attacks on Ukrainian civilian targets are also "terrorist attacks", I might grant you some equivalences.
But I also notice a recent list of Ukrainian successes, notably including that blown-up train tunnel on the military railroad from China, are more than mere terrorism.
Those have elements of the strategic in them.

Regardless, you are obviously correct in reporting that Ukrainians lack the manpower to conduct the 1,000 deaths-per-day "Meat Assaults" that Russians have conducted these past two months around Avdiivka and elsewhere.
I doubt if you'll ever see those from Ukraine.

Nor does Ukraine yet have the kind of air support we think necessary for successful offensive operations.
One reason is, all of that takes many months & years of training to develop qualified pilots and maintenance crews.
2024 could see more air support capabilities.

Kazan: "You don't seem to grasp the Russian objective is grind the Ukrainian military into dust.
When that's accomplished (and it is very close to being accomplished), Ukraine unconditionally surrenders or a Russian offensive will sweep all the way to the Dnieper river."

Maybe, if that's what Russian propaganda is putting out these days, then it must be 100% true, right?

But I've seen nothing from the Ukrainian side to confirm any of it.
Indeed, Ukrainians are reporting Russian "Meat Wave" assaults costing Russians about 1,000 lost per day, for very small gains in territory.
There are no reliable numbers on Ukrainian losses, but also no indications they approach anywhere near those of Russian "Meat Wave" attacks.

Of course, the bottom line is a definition of "offensive" versus "defensive" capabilities.
Arguably, everything Ukrainians have done is defensive, including whenever they've retaken territories previously conquered by Vlad the Invader.
In that sense, you are, of course, 100% correct.

103 posted on 12/04/2023 4:00:30 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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