Posted on 11/26/2023 6:52:10 PM PST by ransomnote
Marijuana is safer than alcohol. No one has ever died from using marijuana. Legalization of marijuana will allow law enforcement to focus on more serious crimes and will eliminate the black market. Marijuana has clear medical benefits. State regulation of marijuana will guarantee product uniformity and produce significant tax revenue. Marijuana reduces opioid addiction and crime. Mental health problems related to marijuana (like psychosis) are overstated and can be explained away without viewing pot as the primary cause. All these claims, especially those about safety and mental health, are debunked by Alex Berenson’s book Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence.
Berenson, a novelist and New York Times journalist, only began this countercultural work after his typically liberal sentiments about marijuana were challenged by his wife, a forensic psychiatrist, who matter-of-factly suggested he read relevant studies on the subject after she observed, to her husband’s surprise, that one of the violent criminals she evaluated in New York was “of course… high” and had “been smoking pot his whole life.” Berenson’s book was the unexpected and (for marijuana advocates) unwelcome, result of that challenge.
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Currently more than sixty percent of Americans have followed that buzzed logic even though “neither cannabis nor THC has ever been shown to work in randomized clinical trials” which, as the author further notes, is “the only reliable way to prove a drug works.” Moreover, what may be marijuana’s most effective pain-relieving component, cannabidiol (CBD), is almost nonexistent in most cannabis today, so “whatever good [it] may do is irrelevant.”
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Edible cannabis products are a lot safer than alcohol but either is reasonable harmless in moderation. I turn 74 in January. I’ve got all the arthritis I want thank you. A good nights sleep is hard to come by. Two or three times a month I’ll eat a cannabis gummy (legal in my state) at bedtime and get six to eight solid hours of uninterrupted sleep.
I don’t use alcohol at all and haven’t for decades. Even as a young man it messed up my sleep.
I posted this because I’m concerned about a young man who is really trying his best to continue his sobriety after months in an intensive addiction program to fight cocaine use. With the anxiety (job stress - working to save money, baby-on-the-way) he’s smoking a lot of weed. There’s a belief that its non addictive and the article notes dependence and addiction. Recently he displayed some unusual paranoia, and of course I wondered if the pot he smokes is laced with something etc. And then this article cited ER visits from pot dependence/addiction.
I know that some FReepers descend on threads like these to post their boilerplate denunciations of ANY concern about weed. They blurt other things are worse, we still have alcohol etc. but the documented mental health and societal issues some of us post about are ignored.
There’s a vast, well-funded push to flood the US with fentanyl, meth etc. and there’s a push to legalize pot everywhere, and I believe they’re part of the same effort.
There are oceans of pro-pot articles purporting to ‘prove’ pot is good, and imply that the only problem are pot’s detractors who are bad, ignorant, prude, bigoted etc. Incredible amounts of money have been spent to ‘win’ the right to force every state in the nation to accept week like a glass of wine after dinner, so the society costs/losses continue to grow.
In this article the ER visits for pot addiction and dependence point to a massive issue which can only have gotten worse since the article was written. But there will be no discussion of that issue - instead there will be false attempts to equate alcohol with pot.
The societal impacts are very different - pot is not equivalent to alcohol. Just one example - the kids in states which legalize pot skip school more or are too high to function on school grounds. The pot lobby is way ahead of us - they arranged to have school resource officers NOT REPORT high, incapacitated students to police or parents, but instead keep them on campus until they ‘come down’. For that reason, there are some schools which have diving actual attendance to academic courses because while the students are there, they can’t function. What would a 15 year old rather do? Attend school and study geometry, or get high and sleep/snack it off?
This new policy enacted to conceal incapacitated pot users on campus protects the public from realizing what a horrible problem they have on their hands with minors incapacited minors focusing on weed instead of working toward graduating from high school. We are paying for student attendace (federal funding of schools) and dthat’s probably why they keep the kids on campus, but school policies protect the students from actually having to attend class, or notify their parents.
That ‘protect-the-pot-smoking teenager’ policy is new, even though alcohol has been around for a LOOOOONG time. The kids weren’t being kept on campus in large numbers ‘too drunk’ to function, but they ARE being detained at school for being too high to function. No one pro-alcohol worked like the pot lobby does to protect pot use in minors from being exposed.
Many factors contribute to the disparity of societal impacts, but using the high school example, alcohol requires more time/volume of intake and can be smelled on the breath easily, and can be determined through blood alcohol tests. Courts use blood alcohol tests to determine things like ‘public drunkeness’.
By contrast, pot users can consume less product with a bigger ‘high’. Weed now comes in many, many variants that don’t smell like traditional weed, and then add in vape devices with their concoctions and the corridors become a thick fog of odors that make it hard for me to breath.
Imagine the public outcry if highschools detained on campus significant numbers of students just there to get drunk. What might parental and public sentiments be surrounding the ‘don’t-notify-anyone=if-students-too-drunk-to=function.
This article details mental health issues re pot use, but the justifications ignore the point of the article. Comments posted attack the implied content of the article, based on having read only the title of the thread. Inevitably, some on any pot thread turn it into a debate on alcohol - that’s not an accident. The pot cartels distribute talking points - this thing is FUNDED to roll over any public awareness or objection, because ‘the spice must flow.”
Can they mix a little pot in with tobacco in cigarettes? That way the beneficial marijuana smoke can neutralize the ill effects of the tobacco smoke.
An old bud from high school with a high stress financial job recently decided he was going to chill with some ganja for the first time since the early ‘80s when he used to wake and bake listening to Marley. I advised him to start slow at first and build up a tolerance cuz THC levels these days are a lot higher than they used to be. He didn’t listen. Toked most of a spliff. Next thing he knows he’s in the grips of paranoia, thinking that his wife is conspiring to kill him. lol. I should’ve told him to keep black peppercorns handy to chew on. The terpenes in BP counteract the THC and are calming. Or at least that’s the old story. And to listen to American Beauty. Anyway, he went back to craft brews after that.
No problem at all. I speak to people all over experiencing the same problem. The smell of the pot is overwhelming and gets into the car.
Read later.
Yep - and I never saw anyone cleanse a wound with marijuana....
The hypocrisy surrounded it's illegality is nothing short of comical.
If adults want to drink, gamble, smoke themselves to death with tobacco that's just fine, it's culturally acceptable. But the evil weed is the Devils scourge. Kids need id to drink. They don't need it to buy weed. Legalize weed or then prohibit tobacco. gambling and cigarette smoking and stop with the Carrie Nation bs.
For sixteen years I was a drunk.I didn’t bother smoking pot at first. I went straight for the booze.
Booze never gave me the ‘’get up and go’’ mentality.
33 years on and I don’t live that way any more.
As to weed, LEGALIZE It and BE DONE WITH IT! Every consider kids need id to buy booze but they don’t need id to buy weed?
Good God Almighty 70 years of the Harry J. Anslinger approach has accomplished NOTHING!
NONE more debilitating,even dangerous than alcohol.
Non medical, non medically unsupervised from alcohol can be dangerous, even fatal. I'm not going to tell one is not as bad as the other but I do know kids don't need id to buy weed. Id is needed to buy alcohol. Think about that. In my hospitals 's ER I see on average more drunken patient than one's stoned on pot. The whole uproar over marijuana is more a situation of a Cassandra like approach to a problem that is really the governments own doing.
The urge to create a utopia of one’s own construction, using the force of state-sponsored violence against those who disagree, is equally as prevalent in “freedom-loving conservatives” as it is among commies.
I’ve never used tobacco in any form, but I’ve had friends and family members who did or do. It’s not a healthful activity, BUT nicotine doesn’t cause psychosis in its users. Would you fly in a plane in which you knew that the pilot consumed nicotine 20 minutes before takeoff? You probably already have, and you wouldn’t be worried that he was impaired, because actually he’s probably more alert than someone who didn’t consume nicotine. Would you fly in a plane in which you knew that the pilot took a half-dozen bong hits 20 minutes before takeoff? I sure as hell wouldn’t. The two aren’t comparable.
| In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Reefer Madness in Reverse: Happy Talk about Pot, Trailerpark Badass wrote: |
The urge to create a utopia of one’s own construction, using the force of state-sponsored violence against those who disagree, is equally as prevalent in “freedom-loving conservatives” as it is among commies. |
I haven't any urges to use 'the force of state-sponsored violence'. You made that up.
I don't think Utopia consists of limiting emergency ER visits, school dropouts/failure to graduate etc. when possible, with limits.
I will look for your future posts advocating the freedom for fentanyl to be distributed at schools privately, and meth as well. Must have COMPLETE freedom, especially if it's the non drug users paying for the emergency ER visits, societal costs and general rot of the meth/fentanyl AND OTHER drugs.
Your arguments, such as they are, aren’t the least bit compelling.
Sorry but your argument is drifting off into the sophomoric. How would I know indeed if a pilot had twenty double scotchs before takeoff?
No drug is without side effects and one should be flying a commercial airliner stoned or in inebriated.
And there are safe guards in place to ensure pilots aren’t flying half in the bag.
Please. Stop channeling Harry J. Anslinger.
What else can I say? I get it. Stoners love their weed. And the Soros crowd funds legalization because they want a stoned, stupid, compliant population, But cannabis is a stupid drug that’s ruined countless minds and is doing a lot of damage to young people right now. Yes, alcohol has ruined even more lives (at this point). And tobacco has sent many to an early grave. But alcohol and tobacco’s ill effects are not a good reason to promote cannabis. As I asked earlier (and you failed to answer), how are 90% of the world’s countries seeminly surviving just fine with weed being illegal? Is Japan a failed nation due to cannabis being illegal there? Is Poland failing? South Korea?
No country is immune from marijuana usage and I’m sick and tired of this hypocritical drug warrior nonsense about ‘’alcohol and tobacco are not as harmful as pot’’.
Please, it’s tiresome and avoids what I said.
Adults should have the right to smoke pot they same as they have the righto drink. smoke tobacco, and gamble.
MJ is the safest drug known to man, safer even than water. You should feel free to eat a gummy every night if it helps you sleep. And CBD oil may alleviate your arthritis.
Before the 1930’s most drugs were plant-based, Rockefeller and other rich influential types started the snake-oil propaganda making what had been legal, illegal, - namely common everyday plants with marijuana having widespread effective usage throughout history.
We need to end the drug war worldwide period! Who benefits when any plant is demonized, drug cartels and those who legislate it? When will people wake up to the fact we need all of our freedoms back from these tyrannical rulers?
For all who claim to follow the Bible, only alcohol abuse is listed, warning against over-indulgence. Also before thinking about giving up meat or making any plant illegal consider see Gen 9:3 “Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.”
THC screws up your sleep patterns. Ironically, CBD does the exact opposite
Not as safe as you think. It can be terribly addictive, can root out any psychosis within miles of you, is bad for your lungs and can make you unwilling to work. Depending on the strain (Indica vs Sativa), it can have some good effects but it requires strict discipline.
I grow it and use it topically for Arthritis. I don’t get high because I don’t see the point of it. It’s too easy to become a Wake and Bake Layabout.
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