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To: Steve_Seattle; UMCRevMom@aol.com
Steve_Seattle: "I don’t know why you are so obsessed with promoting this war, but neither side stands for the Gospel, and don’t pretend that the Ukraine does.
It is moving towards the anti-Christian stance of the EU."

There's no reason I can think of to talk like that.
In fact, there are differences in the culture of Ukrainians, Russians and Americans, including their devotions to religion.

These numbers come from census data.

  1. Russians are 47% Christians, 45% no formal religion

  2. Americans are now 64% Christians, 30% no formal religion

  3. Ukrainians are 85% Christians, 12% no formal religion.
I would list two possible reasons for Ukrainians' higher religious devotions:

1) Having been repeatedly invaded by godless Soviets, Russians and Nazis, Ukrainians find solace in their faith in traditional Christianity.

2) Unlike the USA and Russia, Ukrainians are not as "citified" but more small towns and rural, meaning more likely to hold traditional beliefs.

Now, if you want to talk about corruptions of Ukrainian government officials, that's another story, but even here, by objective measures, Ukrainians have dramatically improved over the past 20+ years, while Russians have remained among the world's most corrupt countries and, sadly, the USA has gotten 10% worse than we were 20+ years ago.

Bottom line: it cannot be "moral" to use "Ukrainian corruption" as your excuse for letting Ukraine be consumed in the murderous embrace of "Mother Russia".

153 posted on 11/27/2023 8:27:44 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK
Your claims for religion in Russia are unsourced and wildly off base.

The Pew organization is the gold standard for public polling on religion. They conduct polls world-wide. You can see the results of their poll on religion in Russia HERE. Data from that study shows the actual religious affiliation of Russians. It's nothing like what you posted:

Per the study details: the "Other Religions" category in this context includes Catholics and Protestants as well as Jews and Muslims.

You have, perhaps inadvertently, played up the old trope of all Russians being atheistic-Communists. It is true that the USSR was officially an atheist country. What is amazing is how quickly, and how many, Russians are now openly identifying as Christuan.

Trends in Russia are towards more people identifying as Christian. Trends in America are in the other direction, and the percent of Americans identifying as Christians presently is lower than the percent of Russians doing so.

Who has the atheistic communist leaders now? The elites in the west - like the cretins at the WEF - are almost all explicitly atheist, or green-pagans, or transhumanists. And more than a few are secret Satanists, evidence suggests.

225 posted on 11/27/2023 12:12:46 PM PST by Vlad0
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