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Germany and US ‘will pressure Zelensky to negotiate with Russia’
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Posted on 11/24/2023 4:28:48 PM PST by Tench_Coxe

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To: Tench_Coxe

This is neocon plan B. They failed in their primary goal of overthrowing the Russian government is gone. So they want to create a “frozen conflict”. The moment they get that, they intend to make rump Ukraine an EU member, or maybe a NATO member, or “NATO lite”. Either way they will FLOOD Ukraine with missiles, ammo, supplies, tanks, fighter jets etc.
They will also flood in NATO advisors and trainers to
It will all become a several years build up to launch a new assault when Putin dies or leaves office. And the new assault will have NATO protection.

Russia knows this is another Minsk ruse.


41 posted on 11/24/2023 5:39:04 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Biden wants to be seen as a peacemaker, something that the dutiful and pliant media will blare out at top volume in the run up to the elections. Biden - the man who ended 2 wars, turned around the economy after Covid, and protected trans-Americans. He will be unstoppable next year.


42 posted on 11/24/2023 5:41:03 PM PST by nwrep
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To: Tench_Coxe

Wait, if Ukraine was weekly destroying large amounts of Russian weapons and troops why would Ukraine need to negotiate? Aren’t they wining? Say it’s not so Joe!


43 posted on 11/24/2023 5:41:17 PM PST by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting…)
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To: Tench_Coxe

The same template the U.S backstabbing State Department has in store for Israel. Message is, and a big win for Putin and the Mullah regime is, Uncle Sam really isn’t someone to rely on..


44 posted on 11/24/2023 5:44:16 PM PST by Long Jon No Silver (Rrily)
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To: Reverend Wright
All we have to look forward to is the Anger Phase of the Zeepers.

Fun, fun, FUN!!!!

45 posted on 11/24/2023 5:45:18 PM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Long Jon No Silver

It appears you backed another Biden puppet. How does it feel to be played like a dunce?


46 posted on 11/24/2023 5:46:49 PM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: EEGator

Zelensky will end up like the Pic you posted.


47 posted on 11/24/2023 5:47:46 PM PST by tennmountainman (FUJB)
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Imagine making this guy Head of State.

It’s like electing a Rap Ape as President.


48 posted on 11/24/2023 5:48:09 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright
--- "Imagine making this guy Head of State. It’s like electing a Rap Ape as President."

You might enjoy a look back to two minutes of....

Angela Merkel OK After Visibly Shaking Next to Ukrainian President Berlin, Jun 18, 2019

49 posted on 11/24/2023 5:53:58 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Tench_Coxe

Marxist Democrats and the WEF EU have never stopped partnering with Putin on Iran, energy, etc. Apparently, some political hobbyists are too dense to see that obvious “writing on the wall” right in front of their noses.


50 posted on 11/24/2023 5:54:08 PM PST by lodi90
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To: Tench_Coxe

They should have kicked her out of the country.

51 posted on 11/24/2023 5:57:22 PM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: MNDude

Negotiate with Russia over Ukrainian sovereignty? Ukrainians aren’t entitled their own borders, language and culture? Interesting position there. Isn’t that what Marxist Democrats say about us?

The intellectual bankruptcy and vapid arguments of the Moscow Kremlin’s useful fools never fails to entertain.


52 posted on 11/24/2023 5:58:14 PM PST by lodi90
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To: tennmountainman

You don’t expect Zelensky will end up like Prigozhin? Opposing Russian Nazis is certainly bad for ones health, apparently.


53 posted on 11/24/2023 5:59:54 PM PST by lodi90
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--- "Marxist Democrats and the WEF EU have never stopped partnering with Putin on Iran, energy, etc."

A correct observation. Here with citations....

Why is U.S. still buying Russian oil? CNN Business, 4 November 2023

Opposition Grows to U.S. Imports of 'Laundered' Russian Oil New York Times, 29 June 2023

Why Are Russian Oil Products Still Being Sold in America? Project Syndicate, 3 July 2023

Pakistan Importing Russian Oil With US Approval Voice of America, 27 April 2023

How Much Oil Does the U.S. Import From Russia and Why Did Biden Ban It? Wall Street Journal, 21 April 2023

New York Is Gorging on Fuel Made From Illicit Russian Oil Bloomberg, 31 January 2023

U.S. Imports from Russia of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products U. S. Energy Information Adminstration, EOY 2022

The "sanctions" theater has been for the rubes. Playing both sides is what the "Marxist Democrats and the WEF EU"....

Why not? The rubes buy it. Over and over again. Like big city Democrat mayors being elected again and again.

54 posted on 11/24/2023 5:59:54 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: DesertRhino
That might be close. When I saw that article about CIA Burns going to Ukraine, it was an indicator that Ukraine was in trouble. Even additional arms and money wouldn't help when the average age now in their armed forces is 40ish--they don't have the manpower. Wunderwaffen won't help.

Its why reports of the Ukraine military is in conflict with Zelensky's appartchiks are probably true.

Burns was probably there to assess how much of their 'asset' they can salvage, since Americans and Europeans haven't been able to be convinced/tricked into sending their children as cannon fodder.

55 posted on 11/24/2023 6:00:18 PM PST by Tench_Coxe (The woke were surprised by the reaction to the Bud Light fiasco. May there be many more surprises)
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To: JonPreston

It feels a lot better than how you must feel tucked away inside putin’s rear end where you hang out night and day. When you going to propose to him


56 posted on 11/24/2023 6:02:07 PM PST by Long Jon No Silver (Rrily)
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To: Long Jon No Silver
how you must feel tucked away inside putin’s rear end where you hang out night and day.

Just another childish Neocon watching another Biden foreign policy disaster explode in your face. Tell us, are their other Biden initiatives you support, or have you learned your lesson?

57 posted on 11/24/2023 6:07:49 PM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

Any other nations you’d like the U.S to abandon to Putin and his other gangster countries


58 posted on 11/24/2023 6:15:07 PM PST by Long Jon No Silver (Rrily)
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To: Long Jon No Silver
We can't secure our own nation. When are you Biden Puffers going to take a look at what we have become?

Zelensky is at the end, he will say whatever he can to prop himself up to the very bitter end.

He may not survive in office.

He has offended, aggravated and angered many Ukrainians.

He's lead them down the path to total disaster.

I'm sure he has many escape routes to…— Douglas Macgregor (@DougAMacgregor) November 25, 2023


59 posted on 11/24/2023 6:19:03 PM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

The grocery store video is truly sick...all kinds of sexual deviance. Z squirms like a girl; naked, small kids are involved and what’s with the dead chickens?

I couldn’t bring myself to watch the second video.

Anybody who supports Z is as disgusting as he is.


60 posted on 11/24/2023 6:35:15 PM PST by bimboeruption (Trump = The best President since Washington. )
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