Steph and Kayla on their wedding day. (Supplied)
Posted on 11/22/2023 8:40:07 PM PST by Morgana
A lesbian couple seeking to become parents have spoken out about the cost involved with IVF, saying that they have spent over $30,000 since 2020 trying to get pregnant.
In an interview with Australia’s 9Honey, Steph and Kayla said in 2020, just one year after they began dating, they knew they wanted to start a family. “We looked into it pretty quickly after getting together, because Kayla didn’t want to be 30 and still trying for a child,” Steph said.
Among both gay and straight couples, IVF has become incredibly popular in Australia; according to 9Honey, one in every 18 babies is conceived through IVF. Steph, however, said they weren’t prepared for the astronomical costs involved. “We drained our bank accounts pretty quickly, then our weekly wages. We would pay our important bills like rent, then everything else would go into IVF,” she said.
So far, they have gone through 15 rounds of IVF, every one of which has failed. This likely resulted in the deaths of far more than 15 preborn children, as most IVF cycles create more than one embryo.
“In the last few months, we’ve had to have that conversation like, ‘At what point do we stop? At what point do we just say it’s OK for us to not have a family?'” Steph said. “The question is still unanswered. We don’t know at what point we’re going to stop, but we know that it’s not going to be too far down the road. We’re not going to go through this for another three years.”
One of the problems with IVF is that it involves the purposeful creation of embryos, which are — despite their tiny size — human beings. And those human beings are routinely destroyed, because they aren’t “high quality” embryos, or because they might have a genetic abnormality like Down syndrome, or even because an IVF round failed. Yet this couple’s only regret seems to be monetary cost, not the lives lost.
“If we could have seen into the future and seen how much money we would have poured into it, we probably would have gone down a different avenue,” Steph said. “We probably could have adopted a child from overseas and the amount of money we spent on IVF, and we would have been just as happy doing so.”
Adoption can be expensive; however, in this couple’s home country of Australia, it is significantly less expensive than IVF. A child can be adopted without untold numbers of their brothers and sisters being killed along the way, and a child ideally deserves a mother and a father. Yet societally, children have been turned into not a privilege, a life with whom adults are entrusted, but a right that people deserve to obtain by any means. Rather than being acknowledged as human beings with their own rights and value, children have been turned into products to be engineered, created, and even disposed of at will.
Though the desire to become parents is often quite strong, children are not possessions to be bought or created at will, at times deliberately depriving them of the knowledge and presence of a biological parent.
“would be a lot more easier for each of these women to get pregnant if her partner had a penis. Just saying.”
For thousands of years, it’s not rocket science.
good grief!!!!
Thanks! Not going to look.
pumpkin with a hole in it.
Probably the one on the left. Just sayin.
Steph and Kayla on their wedding day. (Supplied)
Country boys know watermelons are better.
It's death due to natural causes.
Shit happens, man. Deal with it.
Yes. That is when two gametes join to become a zygote. It's basic biology that you should have learned in High School.
Follow the science.
My question was it the same person trying with IVF? So if one woman could not make it work did her partner try instead?
I wasn't being disrespectful with you.
-PJ
Obviously the sperm determined that it was a very scary uterus that wasn’t friendly to males taking up residence.
Snark or not ...
It’s still basic biology.
That's when the "spark" happens. That's when it moves from biology to theology.
-PJ
Like an idiot, I looked.
Not only in principle, but in actual fact, when a spermatozoön fuses with an ovum, thus creating a zygote, that represents a new human being.
If the zygote is then, for any reason, expelled from the mother's body, it dies.
If that expulsion was intentional, it is murder (though, depending upon the exact circumstances, it might be nigh impossible to prove in an earthly Court of Law).
That is all.
Class dismissed!
Regards,
I'm sure that the first few rounds were paid for by their govt.-mandated health insurance - i.e., the tax-payers.
Regards,
So, what is the theological basis for your assertion that it isn't a living human being prior to implantation?
Please cite chapter and verse.
Regards,
Hezekiah 4:3 perhaps?
Like I said, it is a thought exercise. What's wrong with the thought that "life" begins with bonding with the mother? Without that, the fertilized egg will die 100% of the time. Is that really life?
-PJ
Because it is an inherently flawed thought experiment.
1. Would it be equally valid to posit that "life" begins when the newborn "first opens its eyes?" There are, after all, numerous mentions in the Bible and other "traditional Christian texts" to "first seeing the light of the world." Anything "wrong" with that? Why?
Without that, the fertilized egg will die 100% of the time. Is that really life?
2. Okay, so how about defining the "beginning of life" with the first breath the newborn takes? After all, without that, the newborn will die 100% of the time.
"Attachment," as you call it, is a purely arbitrary point in time! There is nothing "magical" or "special" about it!
You can see that when you substitute various other points in time. It then becomes apparent that they are all arbitrary!
From a merely human point of view, seeing a child open its eyes, suck at its mother's breast, etc. are confirmations that it is, indeed, alive. But that is merely because our meagre human senses and sensibilities are limited.
Regards,
“ we do not know the day or the hour” of a natural death or
Unless we made an appointment for a termination or took drugs supposed to expel the fetus within given hours or days
See the difference
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