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Nuclear Modernisation - Rearmament, ageing stockpiles and why Russia's nukes work (probably)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBZceqiKHrI ^ | 11/19/2023 | Perun

Posted on 11/19/2023 9:13:39 AM PST by Chode

Why are nations building nukes again? And do the ones they have actually work?

The final years of the Cold War and the post-Soviet era that followed were a period of successive victories for efforts at nuclear stockpile reduction and disarmament. Warheads were retired by the tens of thousands and many nations ceased spending vast sums on new nuclear weapons, instead simply conserving those that they had.

But in 2023, efforts at new arms control agreements appear dead in the water, and many nations are now either looking to replace old systems or, like China, expanding their arsenals beyond their present levels.

In this episode, I look at nuclear modernisation, new delivery systems, and the industrial and financial challenges involved.


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1 posted on 11/19/2023 9:13:39 AM PST by Chode
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To: Chode

I was very happy to see President Trump building up our nuclear forces and NATO. I also know he pulled America out of the INF treaty and suggested threatening Putin with nuclear weapons over his constant threats.

I would like our enemies to know that our nuclear weapons are well tested and maintained, that we can guarantee delivery with our multi-layered delivery systems, and that our accuracy guarantees taking out the enemy leaders at all levels and hitting the targets that they most want to protect, that wishful thinking that what matters to them will survive a spray and pray sloppy attack is not a reality.


2 posted on 11/19/2023 9:28:53 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

Amen...


3 posted on 11/19/2023 9:29:42 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: ansel12

Trump was right -again.

The Russians again are using nuclear threat to deter conventional defense against their military invasions. This is a dangerous tactic which was previously deterred by deployment of nuclear weapons to defend the targets of Russian attacks.

It will be an effective policy to end the war in Ukraine by deploying nuclear-armed cruise missiles to UKR, Romania, Poland, Finland and the Baltic states.


4 posted on 11/19/2023 9:42:26 AM PST by Justa (If where you came from is so great then why aren't Floridians moving there?)
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To: Justa

I don’t get that, Putin threatens but Ukraine still fights back conventionally and Europe/US aids them.

Why in the world would we want to give nuclear weapons to a foreign country that is fighting for its life against Russia or even deploy them in little countries that we don’t need to put them in?


5 posted on 11/19/2023 9:52:49 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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Why in the world would we want to give nuclear weapons to a foreign country [...]

Citation, please! Where did anyone say that we should give nukes to other countries?

Regards,

6 posted on 11/19/2023 10:21:06 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Chode

The Nanzi philosophy—you have to detonate them to see if they work....

;-)


7 posted on 11/19/2023 10:23:08 AM PST by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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To: alexander_busek

What do you think post 4 said about Ukraine?


8 posted on 11/19/2023 10:25:10 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Justa

“deploying nuclear-armed cruise missiles to UKR, Romania, Poland, Finland and the Baltic states.”

For some reason for many decades leaders of almost every nuclear country agreed that nuclear non-proliferation was a really good idea.

I can’t imagine why they came up with that silly notion...

;-)


9 posted on 11/19/2023 10:25:59 AM PST by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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To: Chode

The Russians have an active space program. So I assume their ICBMs are working. Even though they’re corrupt.


10 posted on 11/19/2023 10:26:20 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: alexander_busek

Oh and don’t cut off quotes like that.

“Why in the world would we want to give nuclear weapons to a foreign country that is fighting for its life against Russia”

VERSUS

“Why in the world would we want to give nuclear weapons to a foreign country [...]”


11 posted on 11/19/2023 10:27:22 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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What do you think post 4 said about Ukraine?

Saw nothing about giving any other country control of our nukes - which is what you spoke of.

Regards,

12 posted on 11/19/2023 10:28:12 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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Oh and don’t cut off quotes like that. “Why in the world would we want to give nuclear weapons to a foreign country that is fighting for its life against Russia” VERSUS “Why in the world would we want to give nuclear weapons to a foreign country [...]”

The more-fundamental question is: Should we give our nukes to anyone at all?

No one suggested giving our nukes to anyone - whether "fighting for his life" or not.

We have nukes deployed all over the world - incl. in third countries, and on the high seas. Nothing wrong with that - as long as we retain control. Read nothing about relinquishing control.

Regards,

13 posted on 11/19/2023 10:31:29 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The inaccuracy of the Russian nukes were part of what made them so dangerous and destabilizing.

Their inability to guarantee hitting US nuclear targets with one accurate missile almost assured that a nuclear war would escalate out of control since the Russians would require massive overkill on every target.


14 posted on 11/19/2023 10:32:01 AM PST by cgbg ("Creative minds have always been known to survive any kind of bad training." Anna Freud.)
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To: Justa; alexander_busek

“”””It will be an effective policy to end the war in Ukraine by deploying nuclear-armed cruise missiles to UKR,””””

Why aren’t you guys hashing this out between yourselves?

Post 4 called for deploying nuclear weapons into the biggest bloodiest, most violent European war since WWII, against the world’s largest nuclear nation.

How about you two argue and give some clarification on what that meant?


15 posted on 11/19/2023 10:39:18 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: cgbg

pretty much...


16 posted on 11/19/2023 11:34:08 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: MinorityRepublican

yeah, the rocketry is OK, but will it go boom???


17 posted on 11/19/2023 11:35:41 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Chode

Any chance in any modernization program that a clean nuke can be sold to Israel?
I still think the idea that a nuke atop Gaza is the best fix. Not viable now ‘cause of fallout into Israel.


18 posted on 11/19/2023 12:08:43 PM PST by bobbo666 (Baizuo, )
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To: bobbo666

unfortunately, the residue would trace back to Hanford...


19 posted on 11/19/2023 12:27:53 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: ansel12

” suggested threatening Putin with nuclear weapons over his constant threats.”

Those constant “threats” were years of him telling us to leave them alone. And that people screwing with them should remember, that attacks on their forces or existential threats would eventually result in their own demise as well.


20 posted on 11/19/2023 12:28:53 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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