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To: ransomnote

“I’m saying people who were ill, and had not had a Covid test, were advised that they had Covid, no treatment was available, and to stay home until their lips turned blue and they needed oxygen.”

No one over 65 was told this.

There is only one gold standard. It is inescapable. Spend more time with the Excess Deaths curves, actual collected data, and less searching out the latest wacko chasing view counts. Do your own examination and analysis of EDs.

The Chinese let a virus get out. It appears, somehow, in its initial strain, to have spared Asia. We could say the reason China’s numbers were (and are) so low was their attribution of death criteria departing from WHO. They insisted on complete respiratory failure to be a Covid death. Since death occurs because other organs aren’t getting enough oxygen from the poorly functioning respiratory system, those deaths did not get attributed.

But.

In 2020 Japan had low numbers. Korea had low numbers. Thailand had low numbers. The rest of the world had huge death counts, but not Asia, and most of those countries were using WHO attribution definitions.

They did catch up later as mutations brought them other variants that apparently could kill them. But not at first.

Suspicion of racial design of the virus arises, but that does get shot down by some indication that deaths on the US west coast were not sparing oldsters of Asian descent.

If you want to bark up some tree of horrible actions, that is the tree most deserving attention.

Here are the facts:

1) The young did not die. The Excess Deaths curves of ALL CAUSES (attribution doesn’t matter) only smashed older ages. The point of getting the young vaxed was to reduce deaths in the old. Though this was not a reality for which data had accumulated in the earliest days. A shotgun approach to public health is somewhat the norm. If it’s too soon to know intricate details of who is vulnerable, vax everyone.

2) The ED curves show undeniably that the young did not die excessively. They did not die of the virus in 2020 and 2021. And they did not die excessively in 2022. This means what it means. It is not escapable. The young did not die of the virus and they did not die of vax. If vax were killing people, the Excess Deaths would show it. They do not.

3) The old did die excessively. Hugely. They died excessively in 2020, in 2021 and less, but still, 2022 and 2023. There is no sign post vax of an increase in deaths beyond Covid for the old. Covid was killing them. Vax was not.

Go get the actual data. Not the opinions of people looking for attention.


30 posted on 11/18/2023 9:41:26 AM PST by Owen (.)
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To: Owen; ransomnote

Only, wrong, Big Pharma plant. As if anyone would believe YOUR fake news sources. Not that you provided any 🙃

Read some of these, and, weep….

https://freerepublic.com/tag/excessdeaths/index?tab=articles


31 posted on 11/18/2023 9:47:54 AM PST by Jane Long (What we were told was a conspiracy theory in ‘20 is now fact. Land of the sheep, home of the knaves)
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To: Owen

You push fake talking points as data and then tell me to go get the actual data. ALL your information is FAKE NEWS. ALL OF IT.

You said that no one over 65 was told to stay home until their lips turned blue. Well yes, they may have been told to go to the hospital where they were denied all treatment and ventilators hastened their deaths. Those under 65 were told to wait at home until they couldn’t breath - THEN they go to the hospital where they are denied all treatment and ventilators hasten their death.

I have spent time with Excess Deaths curves, and your fake data stinks. I don’t know how you expect people to believe your fake data after they’ve been watching and learning all along.


32 posted on 11/18/2023 12:28:00 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUSTPING)
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To: Owen
3) The old did die excessively. Hugely. They died excessively in 2020, in 2021 and less, but still, 2022 and 2023. There is no sign post vax of an increase in deaths beyond Covid for the old. Covid was killing them. Vax was not.

Again, note how the utterly dishonest, reprehensible troll slides in a caveat, moving the goalposts, perhaps hoping people will skim over it and quote a misremembered sentence, creating a viral buzz that "the clot shots are OK"...

You and your ilk are, and remain, vermin.

33 posted on 11/18/2023 12:38:10 PM PST by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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