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To: kiryandil; Kazan; UMCRevMom@aol.com
kiryandil: "The despair of the Ukrainian officers was heart-breaking, and the description of the Ukrainians preferring the Russian trenches over their own was eye-opening."

No doubt Russian trenches are better built than are Ukraine's.
Perhaps Ukrainian troops will enjoy filling those trenches as they take them from Russia.

The real truth is 2023 territorial gains and losses are relatively minor, Russians around Bakhmut and Avdiivka, Ukrainians near Robodyne and the Dnieper left bank.

Russians have built and fortified extensive trench lines which Ukrainians were unable to breach.
Russians have also practiced repeated "Meat wave" assaults losing thousands of troops and hundreds of vehicles for the gain of a mile or two.

In the meantime, precision Ukrainian artillery and missiles have forced Russian support facilities -- transportation, ammunition, repairs, airports & headquarters -- out of the Donbas and even Crimea and back into Russia proper.
Ukrainians have also forced the Russian navy out of Crimea, destroying 21 Russian navy ships in the process.

So, as of today, nothing about the future is known for certain, but claims that it's all over now are still a bit premature.

kiryandil: "The Ukrainians don't even have enough ammunition - artillery or otherwise - to suppress the Russians while they're building their newest line of secure trenches."

There's no doubt that Russian ammunition supplies have always massively outweighed Ukraine's, thus leading to Zelenskyy's famous response on Day One, that he didn't want a ride out of Ukraine, he wanted more ammunition.
As of today, there are two changes of note:

  1. Ukrainians can increasingly make up what they lack in quantity of artillery ammunition by the quality of their longer-range precision guided projectiles.
    These have again and again wreaked havoc on Russia's "Meat Wave" assaults against Ukrainian defenses.

  2. The longer range of Ukrainian artillery and missiles has forced Russians to move their support facilities ever further into the rear, back into Russia in most cases.
    This makes Russian front lines increasingly exposed & vulnerable.
kiryandil: "The rasputitsa will break the degraded morale of the losing Ukrainians even further in the coming weeks."

So our pro-Russian propagandists have claimed repeatedly since February 22, 2022, and yet... and yet... somehow it hasn't happened yet.

Might you guys be right this time?
Even a broken clock tells the correct time twice per day, so maybe, maybe your time is finally here?

Naw, not today!


65 posted on 11/16/2023 3:40:57 AM PST by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK
No doubt Russian trenches are better built than are Ukraine's. Perhaps Ukrainian troops will enjoy filling those trenches as they take them from Russia.

After five months of a failed Ukrainian counteroffensive that cost Ukraine more than 100,000 lives and didn't result in any significant territorial gains, you are delusional and bat sh$t crazy if you think Ukraine is ever getting the trenches or any territory back.

All you and your ilk and doing by promoting these delusions is getting more Ukrainians killed, creating amputees and setting Ukraine up to lose even more territory that Russians never had any intention of taking.

People like you are menace to humanity.

67 posted on 11/16/2023 7:11:54 PM PST by Kazan
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