Posted on 11/09/2023 4:09:39 AM PST by marktwain
Much has been made of an 1824 University of Virginia ban on the keeping of weapons on campus by students. The resolution was passed on October 4, 1824, about five months before classes were started at the University. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, both former presidents and elder statesmen, were members of the board and attended when the resolutions were passed. Both were to die on July 4th, 1826, one year and nine months later.
No Student shall admit any disturbing noises in his room, or make them any where within the precincts the University, or fire a gun or pistol within the same, on pain of such minor sentence as the faculty shall decree or approve. but the proper use of musical instruments, shall be freely allowed in their rooms, and in that appropriated for instruction of music.
Riotous, disorderly, intemperate or indecent conduct of any student within the precincts shall be punished by interdiction of a residence within the precincts; and repetitions of such offences, by expulsion from the University.
Fighting with weapons which may inflict death, or a challenge to such fight, given or accepted, shall be punished by instant expulsion from the University, not remissible by the Faculty; and it shall be the duty of the Proctor to give information thereof to the civil magistrate, that the parties may be dealt with according to law.Offences cognisable by the laws of the land shall be left to the cognisance of the civil magistrate, if claimed by him, or otherwise to the judgment of the Faculty: all others to that of the Faculty.
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I’m only fluent in English, so maybe I missed something ...
But I don’t see a gun ban there.
Ban on shooting on campus.
Make sense, nobody should be allowed to shoot in busy places.
It's called a penumbra, and liberals see them every where. The school banned discharging fire arms and dueling on campus, so therefore it has to mean that they banned guns on campus totally. And viola! it is seen, so it MUST be!
This looks to me like they were trying to address some incident that had happened on campus and they wanted rules in effect to give them cause to expulse in the future.
It is in effect a ban on dueling/fighting, raucous behavior and noise making, threatening behavior, and discharging of firearms on campus.
Probably some spoiled rich kid with influence was getting drunk and acting up. Couldn’t just throw him out without rules, so put some in place until he graduates or flunks out. Hence the 18 month limit.
“No student”....
When I see articles with blatant factual inaccuracies, i immediately stop reading. James Madison did not die on July 4th, 1826 as Jefferson and Adams famously did. James Madison died on June 28, 1836.
They’re probably confusing him with James Monroe, who DID die on July 4th — July 4th 1831.
If they can’t get basic dates right, I don’t trust anything else they have to say.
Madison died in 1838.
You’re thinking of John Adams, who died on the same day as Jefferson.
My bad. Madison died in 1836.
Thanks. Yes, you are correct. Adams was mistaken for Monroe.
Wow. my bad. Madison was mistaken for Adams.
Adams was the second American president.
Jefferson was the third American president.
Madison was the fourth American president.
The roommate who was becoming the target of the bully went home and brought his .22 hunting rifle back to school.
When the bully arrived back from class and started verbally abusing the smaller guy, the smaller guy went to his bedroom, got his rifle and cleaning kit, and laid them out on the kitchen table in preparation for disassembly and cleaning.
The bully immediately started complaining about the use of the kitchen table to clean rifles. The little guy listened quietly, reassembled his rifle, slowly loaded it and looked up at the bully and said, "You know, there's only so much bullying the people around here can take from you without thinking about ways to stop it." Then he just rested his rifle in his lap and looked at the bully.
The next week, the bully moved out.
I'm not recommending this kind of response. I'm just saying that it is (or used to be) a natural reaction in the South.
“You’re thinking of John Adams, who died on the same day as Jefferson.”
Supposedly Jefferson and Adams had repaired their relationship and considered each other close friends once again. Supposedly as Adams lay dieing he told his assembled friends and family “Thomas Jefferson survives.”
With communication being somewhat slow in those days no one knew that Jefferson had already died.
Strange how life is, don’tcha think?
It wasn’t just “spoiled rich kids”. People drank much more heavily back then than we do now. This was a dueling society so challenges and duels were common. Needless to say, pretty much everybody had a gun. People back then were nowhere near as....pick your word....delicate, gentle, etc as we are today. So they would get drunk, get loud, sometimes get into fights far more common than a frat house would today.
It was to stop dueling too. Students shooting and killing each other as matters of honor was bad for UVA’s business.
I understand that and took it into account. What I am guessing is that there was an incident or incidents beyond the norm. Probably with an individual or small group that the University thought needed to be addressed. That’s why I think it may have had a limited application of time. It’s all conjecture on my part and I freely admit that.
It's a fart ban...
It might have resulted from incidents at other Universities, though.
There were only three public universities with similar rules by 1855, out of 21 public universities.
I had a similar roommate except he was just an idiot. I decided late in the spring to transfer to a college and decided to stay in the dorms for the first term till I could find off campus housing. As a Junior I ended up in a Freshman dorm. This punk I had for a roommate couldn’t handle the basic responsibilities of living alone. He went crazy with liquor, drugs, cigarettes etc. (non-smoking dorm)
We were on the third floor.
One day he started yelling something at me while I was sitting in a chair reading a textbook. “I’m so mad I’m going to throw you out the window.”
I glanced up and said quietly “That’s going to be a lot of paperwork for you.) He shrank down to the little child that he was. I don’t think we ever spoke again.
And that’s always been one of my favorite Founding Father facts.
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