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Sources: Big Ten coaches urge action vs. Michigan in call
espn ^ | 11-2-23 | Pete Thamel

Posted on 11/02/2023 7:20:36 AM PDT by FLNittany

A vast majority of the Big Ten coaches expressed their frustrations with the ongoing signal-stealing investigation at Michigan in a video call with commissioner Tony Petitti on Wednesday, sources told ESPN.

The call, which took 90 minutes, included nearly an hour without Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh, who hung up after the regularly scheduled Big Ten business to allow the conference's coaches to speak freely about the NCAA's investigation into Michigan.

According to five sources familiar with the call, a chorus of voices encouraged Petitti to take action against Michigan in a call that was described as both intense and emotional.

"Collectively, the coaches want the Big Ten to act -- right now," said a source familiar with the call. "What are we waiting on? We know what happened." Editor's Picks

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The NCAA has been investigating Michigan for nearly two weeks, as the Big Ten confirmed the NCAA's sign-stealing investigation on Oct. 19. Since that time, ESPN has reported that Michigan staffer Connor Stalions emerged as a centerpiece of the investigation and has purchased tickets to the games of 12 of 13 Big Ten opponents over the last three years.

Overall, Stalions has purchased tickets to more than 35 games in at least 17 stadiums over the last three years, ESPN reported. Michigan suspended Stalions the same day ESPN reported he was the center of the investigation. A former Division III coach also told ESPN he was paid by Stalions to video games at multiple Big Ten schools.

The coaches in the Big Ten laid out to Petitti, who was hired in April, just how distinct of a schematic advantage Michigan has held the last three years by illegally obtaining the opposition's signals ahead of time, as has been alleged.

Coaches used words like "tainted," "fraudulent" and "unprecedented" on the call to describe Michigan's signal-stealing scheme, as has been alleged. Much of the call, according to sources, was coaches explaining to Petitti both how it worked and how it impacted them and their programs. Both in-person opponent scouting and using electronic equipment to steal signals are not allowed by NCAA rules.

In the three years that Stalions left a paper trail of purchasing tickets to games of Michigan opponents, the Wolverines have gone 33-3 overall and 22-1 in Big Ten play. In the prior three years, they were 21-11 overall and 16-8 in league play.

"People don't understand the seriousness of it," said another source. "How it truly impacted the game plan. To truly know if it's a run or a pass, people don't understand how much of an advantage that was for Michigan."

There was anger interspersed throughout the call, as one source described the sentiment as: "Every game they played is tainted."

The coaches acknowledged the reality on the call that the NCAA enforcement timeline won't impact Michigan this season, as the Wolverines are 8-0 and No. 3 in the initial College Football Playoff rankings. And that's one reason the Big Ten coaches called on action from the Big Ten.

Sources described Petitti as listening carefully to the coaches, but not tipping his hand in what direction he may go. Sources expressed curiosity as to whether the Big Ten is truly interested in taking action or just listening to coaches so they can be heard.

The Big Ten technically has authority under its Sportsmanship Policy to punish Michigan or members of the coaching staff.

That's been considered unlikely in this case in the near future, as it's unusual to have an NCAA case unfolding in real time. While plenty of evidence has emerged in media reports, the league would likely be unable to use those as a fact set to make a decision.

The league could also initiate its own investigation into potential violations of the Big Ten's sportsmanship policy. While Petitti has authority to dictate discipline, if it's beyond a standard level it must be looked at by an executive committee that could approve, deny or lessen that discipline.

League officials did not respond to request for comment late Wednesday.

"I don't think the Big Ten understood how upset everyone was," said another source. "The tenor of the call was asking the Big Ten to show leadership -- the conference and the presidents. An unprecedented violation of the rules would require unprecedented action from the Big Ten."


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To: discostu

It doesn’t matter what other people said, Michigan got caught, they broke the rules and should pay for it, it’s a very simple matter


81 posted on 11/02/2023 1:26:41 PM PDT by srmanuel (e)
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To: MotorCityBuck
Thanks .. just my .02   :-)
82 posted on 11/02/2023 1:30:07 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: srmanuel

But it DOES matter. Because it puts the lie to your claim that everybody else follows the rule. They don’t. Laws that should be scoffed make scofflaws.


83 posted on 11/02/2023 1:31:15 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu

Show us the evidence of all the other teams breaking these rules. Show us other entire sidelines indicating pass or run right before a snap.

If everybody is doing it - as you say, there should be ample evidence of that claim.


84 posted on 11/02/2023 1:44:42 PM PDT by FLNittany (Autotune is jealous of Karen Carpenter)
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To: discostu

No it does not I bet after Michigan gets punished not another school will be getting punished because they are not doing anything close to what they were doing

Regardless if multiple schools are cheating like Michigan got caught and there’s ample evidence to support this


85 posted on 11/02/2023 1:44:56 PM PDT by srmanuel (e)
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To: FLNittany

Show us evidence Michigan is doing it. Meanwhile if you don’t think other teams are doing it you’re deluded.


86 posted on 11/02/2023 1:45:50 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: srmanuel

I bet the NCAA changes the rules within two years. The same as the NFL. And MLB. They know this rule is stupid. And they’re embarrassed to have this in the public.


87 posted on 11/02/2023 1:46:25 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu

That’s fine but cheating is still cheating


88 posted on 11/02/2023 1:52:41 PM PDT by srmanuel (e)
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To: srmanuel

And stupid rules are still stupid.


89 posted on 11/02/2023 1:53:56 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu
What do you call this? Why does the whole sideline point to the sky at the same time?

twitter video link here

90 posted on 11/02/2023 1:58:52 PM PDT by FLNittany (Autotune is jealous of Karen Carpenter)
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To: FLNittany

Don’t know. Don’t care. The NCAA chooses to pretend it’s the 1950s and not put radios in their helmets. Everything after that is on them.


91 posted on 11/02/2023 2:07:48 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu

Until the rules change it’s still cheating


92 posted on 11/02/2023 2:14:47 PM PDT by srmanuel (e)
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To: srmanuel

Look it’s obvious at this point you just want the last word. So have the next reply, I’ll leave it alone. We all know the rule is moronic, like so many NCAA rules. And will be changed. You still want to worship the stupid rule. That makes me sad for you. But, your problem. Good bye, good luck.


93 posted on 11/02/2023 2:21:05 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: discostu

When one is following the rules and another is cheating it’s a unfair advantage even if the rules are stupid


94 posted on 11/02/2023 2:23:27 PM PDT by srmanuel (e)
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To: tomkat

You would have to be a whole lot better, imagine knowing it is a run, and no need to protect against a possible pass.

Regardless not like it or not it is a rule, passed not that long ago because poorer schools complained that they could not afford to finance sending folks to scout

Funny that now a days you don’t need to find much. A seat and a phone with a decent camera and maybe a few classes on what they need recorded

Calling a rule stupid doesn’t mean you don’t have to follow it.


95 posted on 11/02/2023 5:28:28 PM PDT by blitz128
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To: Bryan24
Honestly don't care if it's a big deal or not. Everything is corrupted, and that was my point. I wouldn't be surprised at all if everyone else did it, for all you and I know, they do. They're just pissed Harbaugh's so much better at it.

Or maybe they're pissed Harbaugh's pro-life and this is their way of getting even as another poster suggested.

Any way one looks at it, I just don't care. Everything's corrupted and nothing surprises me any more.

96 posted on 11/02/2023 5:44:31 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: HYPOCRACY

The entire back story with a Michigan booster trying to get rid of Harbaugh and Ryan Day’s brother being a private investigator is getting crazy.
I’m surprised that other Big Ten coaches want Harbaugh sanctioned. Every team tries understand their competitors signals and every team changes their signals routinely.


97 posted on 11/02/2023 5:52:45 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy ( )
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To: usconservative

There’s nothing in this world that isn’t corrupted anymore


Sad, but I think very true.


98 posted on 11/02/2023 5:54:35 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy ( )
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To: cornfedcowboy
It explains why I just don't give a damn' about anything anymore.

Well, that's not 100% true. I care about my family, my sons, my loved ones, and my relationship with Jesus. Everything else, nah.

99 posted on 11/02/2023 6:07:28 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: FLNittany

Reading through this thread, it seems there’s a lot of folks here that think it’s ok to break the rules. The rules are stupid. Many here would make great Democrats. If you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’, and you should lose.


100 posted on 11/02/2023 6:31:59 PM PDT by FamiliarFace (I got my own way of livin' But everything gets done With a southern accent Where I come from. TPetty)
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