Posted on 10/16/2023 2:38:28 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
Deut. 2:31-34
The Lord said to me, “See, I have begun to deliver Sihon and his country over to you. Now begin to conquer and possess his land.” 32 When Sihon and all his army came out to meet us in battle at Jahaz, 33 the Lord our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. 34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them—men, women and children. We left no survivors.
Deut. 3:3-6
So the Lord our God also gave into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down, leaving no survivors. 4 At that time we took all his cities. There was not one of the sixty cities that we did not take from them—the whole region of Argob, Og’s kingdom in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fortified with high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many unwalled villages. 6 We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city—men, women and children.
Joshua 6:20-21
When the trumpets sounded, the army shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the men gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so everyone charged straight in, and they took the city (Jericho). 21 They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.
Joshua 10:28-42
That day Joshua took Makkedah. He put the city and its king to the sword and totally destroyed everyone in it. He left no survivors. And he did to the king of Makkedah as he had done to the king of Jericho. 29 Then Joshua and all Israel with him moved on from Makkedah to Libnah and attacked it. 30 The Lord also gave that city and its king into Israel’s hand. The city and everyone in it Joshua put to the sword. He left no survivors there. And he did to its king as he had done to the king of Jericho. 31 Then Joshua and all Israel with him moved on from Libnah to Lachish; he took up positions against it and attacked it. 32 The Lord gave Lachish into Israel’s hands, and Joshua took it on the second day. The city and everyone in it he put to the sword, just as he had done to Libnah. 33 Meanwhile, Horam king of Gezer had come up to help Lachish, but Joshua defeated him and his army—until no survivors were left. 34 Then Joshua and all Israel with him moved on from Lachish to Eglon; they took up positions against it and attacked it. 35 They captured it that same day and put it to the sword and totally destroyed everyone in it, just as they had done to Lachish. 36 Then Joshua and all Israel with him went up from Eglon to Hebron and attacked it. 37 They took the city and put it to the sword, together with its king, its villages and everyone in it. They left no survivors. Just as at Eglon, they totally destroyed it and everyone in it. 38 Then Joshua and all Israel with him turned around and attacked Debir. 39 They took the city, its king and its villages, and put them to the sword. Everyone in it they totally destroyed. They left no survivors. They did to Debir and its king as they had done to Libnah and its king and to Hebron. 40 So Joshua subdued the whole region, including the hill country, the Negev, the western foothills and the mountain slopes, together with all their kings. He left no survivors. He totally destroyed all who breathed, just as the Lord, the God of Israel, had commanded. 41 Joshua subdued them from Kadesh Barnea to Gaza and from the whole region of Goshen to Gibeon. 42 All these kings and their lands Joshua conquered in one campaign, because the Lord, the God of Israel, fought for Israel.
Joshua 11:8-22
and the Lord gave them into the hand of Israel. They defeated them and pursued them all the way to Greater Sidon, to Misrephoth Maim, and to the Valley of Mizpah on the east, until no survivors were left. 9 Joshua did to them as the Lord had directed: He hamstrung their horses and burned their chariots. 10 At that time Joshua turned back and captured Hazor and put its king to the sword. (Hazor had been the head of all these kingdoms.) 11 Everyone in it they put to the sword. They totally destroyed them, not sparing anyone that breathed, and he burned Hazor itself. 12 Joshua took all these royal cities and their kings and put them to the sword. He totally destroyed them, as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded. 13 Yet Israel did not burn any of the cities built on their mounds—except Hazor, which Joshua burned. 14 The Israelites carried off for themselves all the plunder and livestock of these cities, but all the people they put to the sword until they completely destroyed them, not sparing anyone that breathed. 15 As the Lord commanded his servant Moses, so Moses commanded Joshua, and Joshua did it; he left nothing undone of all that the Lord commanded Moses. 16 So Joshua took this entire land: the hill country, all the Negev, the whole region of Goshen, the western foothills, the Arabah and the mountains of Israel with their foothills, 17 from Mount Halak, which rises toward Seir, to Baal Gad in the Valley of Lebanon below Mount Hermon. He captured all their kings and put them to death. 18 Joshua waged war against all these kings for a long time. 19 Except for the Hivites living in Gibeon, not one city made a treaty of peace with the Israelites, who took them all in battle. 20 For it was the Lord himself who hardened their hearts to wage war against Israel, so that he might destroy them totally, exterminating them without mercy, as the Lord had commanded Moses. 21 At that time Joshua went and destroyed the Anakites from the hill country: from Hebron, Debir and Anab, from all the hill country of Judah, and from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua totally destroyed them and their towns. 22 No Anakites were left in Israelite territory; only in Gaza, Gath and Ashdod did any survive.
Is this a message for what Israel needs to do today? I think it is.
I agree.
No, I don't think any of these Old Testament admonitions have any particular relevance to the modern nation-state of Israel. As it is, I think these instructions to the Israelites by Yahweh have long been superseded. If you seek biblical warrant for this assertion, I would direct your attention to Deuteronomy 28:15-68.
Tell those who protest their actions (and we know who they will be) to Go...Pound...Sand.
“No, I don’t think any of these Old Testament admonitions have any particular relevance to the modern nation-state of Israel. As it is, I think these instructions to the Israelites by Yahweh have long been superseded. If you seek biblical warrant for this assertion, I would direct your attention to Deuteronomy 28:15-68.”
yikes. Agreed, this is scary stuff.
Mabey, but YESHUA is the GOD of the Old Testement.
Deuteronomy 28:15-68.
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What a great passage. It perfectly compliments the point I was trying to think of earlier when I said God would punish his people if they failed to obey his commandments and kill every last man, woman and child.
Thanks for posting.
These curses were fullfilledin the Jewish Diaspora.
The JEWS are PEACE THIRSTY!!!!
HOW will Israel survive?
While that applied to Israel when she was the nation of God, and it explains why there are so many of Israels enemies still roaming the earth; for refusing His orders, to utterly destroy her enemies as she was going in to possess the land; it doesn’t apply today. The command to Israel today is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, just like every other person who God will save from the wrath to come.
Just because Israel is God’s people, doesn’t mean He will not continue to judge her for rejecting their Messiah, He still has His covenant with them, which He never broke, but they need to fall down on their faces before Him and repent; not just presume He will forbear with them, do what they ask, without a change of heart, for their rejection:
“37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who have been sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. 38 Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! 39For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘BLESSED IS THE ONE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD!’”Matthew 23
Yes, he will Judge them, but only HE can.
Maybe but below are 20 Old Testament rules even the strictest orthodox Jews no longer observe.
Certainly, here are 20 Old Testament rules that Jews no longer observe, excluding temple and sacrifice rules:
1. Stoning for adultery (Leviticus 20:10)
2. Laws regarding slavery (Exodus 21:2-6)
3. Dietary restrictions (Leviticus 11)
4. Sabbath day regulations (Exodus 31:15)
5. Sacrificing doves and pigeons for purification (Leviticus 12:6)
6. Rules about mixed fabrics (Leviticus 19:19)
7. Rituals for the cleansing of lepers (Leviticus 14)
8. Death penalty for cursing one’s parents (Exodus 21:17)
9. Rules for male circumcision (Genesis 17:10-14)
10. Prohibition of trimming the corners of one’s beard (Leviticus 19:27)
11. Dietary restrictions on pork and shellfish (Leviticus 11:7-12)
12. Laws regarding the taking of interest on loans (Exodus 22:25)
13. Jubilee year land restoration (Leviticus 25:10)
14. Rules for taking spoils of war (Deuteronomy 20:14)
15. Inheritance laws favoring sons over daughters (Numbers 27:8)
16. The requirement of taking oaths in God’s name (Exodus 22:11)
17. The prohibition of tattoos (Leviticus 19:28)
18. Rules for handling menstruating women (Leviticus 15:19-30)
19. The death penalty for working on the Sabbath (Exodus 35:2)
20. Regulations on tithing crops (Leviticus 27:30)
How about a practical consideration? (Pretty amazing stuff.)
“Israel’s top trauma surgeon shares powerful message”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlxjtVcN5mQ
Yes, the whole law was fulfilled IN YESHUA.
Yes, the whole law was fulfilled IN YESHUA.
Amen bro
Bkmk
As regard civil powers, this did actually works to prevent years of more fighting by the same enemies, but the scope of such in this case is very extensive.
And yet the premise in the verses cite was that of Israel being a holy nation vs. nations which defiled the land, not a Israel admixture of devout religious (if mostly yet lost) and a coalition government that sanctions homosexual parades etc. However, as nations go, there is no context as to which country has the historical claim to the land, and is to be helped, while the cry for mercy from God is most fundamentally needed, with faith in the suffering servant of Is. 53.
I’ve been thinking on the points you’ve made, and I agree.
Israel WAS His chosen people.
Even if they followed the commandments to kill every last man, woman and child, I still don’t see God blessing them as His New Covenant supersedes the Old Testament commands.
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