Israel and the Puppet Masters……my title….well worth the read, IMHO

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[qaz123]

K.

I’ve kept an eye on this Israel situation for the past few days.

Here’s what I’ve learned, & here are my blunt & honest thoughts:

1. Israel chose to ignore intelligence from Egyptian officials about a major attack coming from Hamas.

2. Multiple former IDF soldiers & Israeli intelligence personnel have come forward online and said there’s a zero percent chance Israel was unaware of this attack beforehand or couldn’t have prevented it.

[dforest]

The nuking stuff is out of control emotional quick response without thinking.

Unfortunate really. Israel would be basically nuking themselves.

[EEGator]

What a great, in depth analysis. You better get back to your Checkers game.

[cymbeline]

As of 12:30 PM the Twitter article is still there.

I think the Israeli government would not ignore evidence of an impending attack because the ignoring would be found out and would be devastating to Israel’s reputation among its friends.

However, it is odd that Israel was so unprepared for the invasion.

[pierrem15]

The Israeli government has categorically denied having received any warning from Egypt.

Iron Dome's earlier success made the Israeli's complacent and their politicized intel agencies didn't wish to give credence to what intel they did have because a confrontation would bolster Netanyahu. It might also be that US sigint is now being withheld under Obama's third term.

The other factor is that both the US and Israel have achieved some spectacular penetrations of Iranian operations. They aren't stupid, and would have acted to strengthen their security considerably.

An additional possibility is that another party such as Turkey or Russia with better opsec is helping Hamas, especially with weaponry.

[lepton]

Surprise comes in many forms, including when you see the pieces and think it means something else.

The warning from Egypt appears to have been exceptionally vague. “Something big” doesn’t even tell you on what scale.

Given the immediate calls from the Biden administration to stand down, it also seems likely that they may have given alternative views on how to interpret events. Given their desperation to use Iran as the linchpin to put pressure on Israel on behalf of ‘Palestinians’, it might have been nefarious on top of the usual incompetence.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Bkmrk

[Angelino97]

If Israel had done anything to prevent the attack, the Democrats would have gone ape $#!+ and called Israel the terrorists.

Israel doesn't take orders from anyone.

We know the American government -- that many governments -- allow attacks on their own people if it advances political aims. Why assume Israel is any different? That it's not a normal country, with normal corruption?

Maybe they underestimated the carnage, but it does provide an opportunity to destroy Gaza, and it unites the nation behind Netanyahu (as happens when a nation goes to war).

[zeestephen]

Here is my blunt opinion.

IDF was listening to everyone and on high alert the week before Yom Kippur, the week of Yom Kippur, and the week after Yom Kippur.

Two weeks after Yom Kippur, all the people who had been working 24-7 for three weeks decided to take the weekend off, because NO ONE was telling them that anything was going to happen two weeks after Yom Kippur.

[EEGator]

Hopefully those in charge of Israel, and actually making decisions, are more wise than the online generals here.

So far I have read here:
Nuke Gaza
Nuke Gaza and Tehran
Bomb Qatar
Bomb Egypt
Kill them all (meaning Muslims, not just Hamas or Gaza)
Execute unarmed prisoners including children
Bomb hospitals
Kill aid personnel
Starve everyone to death

This is the moral high ground crew.

[Telepathic Intruder]

To me that’s as much a conspiracy theory as saying 9/11 was an inside job. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That’s the only thing I want to see.

[laconic]

I am not surprised by any brutality from Hamas and believe Israel is almost totally in the right here. What I also have, however, is a knowledge of history. In World War I, one of the British propaganda tools was that the invading Kaiser’s troops had tossed Belgian babies on bayonets - not a word of truth to it but it built up support for US intervention. Also in WW1, the Lusitania, a passenger ship, was sunk by a German submarine; what was never admitted was that it was carrying munitions in violation of the rules of war and exploded quickly due to that, which largely brought the US into the war at the behest of Britain. So I don’t know that the press accounts are wrong, only that some skepticism is in order at times like these.

[Taxman]

Ping

[Angelino97]

To me that’s as much a conspiracy theory as saying 9/11 was an inside job.

To ignore a threat is not an "inside job."

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Agreed.

I consider this circumstantial evidence to be pretty extraordinary:

1. Mossad is an excellent intelligence agency, with moles inside every Arab government and terrorist group, and friendly nations, across the world.

2. Israel has excellent border walls, sensors, and other high tech, such that a pigeon couldn't fly over the wall without the IDF knowing about it. (So they say.)

3. This terror attack involved over a thousand fighters and planners, with perhaps months or years of planning. Yet with all their informants, with all their high tech gear, the Mossad and IDF knew nothing?

That's pretty extraordinary.

[EEGator]

My current working theory is that the internet has broken most people’s ability to think things through. Impulse control and cohesive thinking are down while anger, violent ideation and “f you” are up.

I agree about government allowing bad things to happen for the use of political gains.

[NWFree]

Where’s your proof? Oh that’s right you don’t have any

Thanks for nothing

[lepton]

Skepticism is certainly warranted, but the pictures and accounts from the Rave - not to mention the Hamas selfie videos on Facebook - are rather a bit more more than an inflammatory sentence. Not to mention the actual statements by Hamas.

[DiogenesLamp]

I believe Israel’s Deep State purposely allowed this to take place, assuming it would just be another small raid. Their hope was that it would weaken Netanyahu. That Deep State was as surprised as anyone at the size and intensity of the breakout.

My perusal of history involving CIA activities leads me to believe that the vast majority of the time, they will screw things up.

They think they are so smart, and they are literally shocked when people don't behave the way they thought they would.

The CIA has a history of blunder after blunder and they never seem to learn. This what you get with Ivy league graduates. They aren't acquainted with the real world.

[DiogenesLamp]

the genocide of the Palestinian people

The guy on X just threw his credibility in the sewer.

Yup. Normal people don't talk like that. Anyone presenting it from that angle is a partisan on the Palestinian side.

[DiogenesLamp]

This is the moral high ground crew.

The most moral thing you can do is protect your family and your community from people who want to kill you and also have the means to do it.

If you make this about your family versus my family, then I see it as morally necessary to wipe out your family first.

Clearing out everyone capable of fighting and killing has been a tactic that has worked throughout all of human history.

Allowing your people to be continuously killed by an enemy you could readily destroy is immoral.

[Telepathic Intruder]

I suppose some evidence is there, but like you also said they probably didn’t expect the sheer size of the operation that actually unfolded.