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To: BroJoeK
I agree Joe that this is the Democrats plan. More people means more government.

As to Ukraine I'm sorry but old friend I'd have to disagree. Whether or not Putin and his "Nazi'' trope rings true today can be debated. There is no denying the Ukrainians were some of Hitler's most ruthless Jew killers. Babi Yar comes to mind. Over 37,000 Jews massacred in two days. Again I'm sorry but hese two peoples have been at each other's throats long before there was a Untied States and I fail to see how giving Zelensky access to the public treasury is in our best interest.

92 posted on 10/11/2023 11:18:03 AM PDT by jmacusa (Liberals. Too stupid to be idiots.)
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To: jmacusa
jmacusa: "There is no denying the Ukrainians were some of Hitler's most ruthless Jew killers.
Babi Yar comes to mind.
Over 37,000 Jews massacred in two days."

The locked-in connection between Communists and Jews was hardwired into many brains of that time, based on harsh personal experiences, including the 1930s Holodomor in Ukraine in which Stalin's Communists killed an estimated 4 million Ukrainians.

I think it's fair to say there are only a handful of Ukrainians still alive today who participated in the Holocaust as perpetrators, but many who descend from Holocaust survivors, including Ukraine's President Zelenskyy.

jmacusa: "Again I'm sorry but hese two peoples have been at each other's throats long before there was a Untied States and I fail to see how giving Zelensky access to the public treasury is in our best interest."

I would not blame all Ukrainians for crimes committed by a few, any more than I'd blame... take your pick... Germans, Japanese, Russians, Chinese or Americans and on and on for crimes committed by a few of their (our) ancestors, unless they collectively try to defend those past crimes against humanity as somehow a good thing, as Vlad the Invader is now doing concerning Stalin.

The important reality today is that Vlad the Invader has deliberately and knowingly challenged the old "Pax Americana" since 1945 by invading his smaller neighbors, including Ukraine.
If such challenges go unanswered, they will soon enough result in ever more attacks on America's weakest and most vulnerable friends in the world, including Israel and Taiwan.

It's not just Ukraine, Vlad has also invaded Chechnya, Georgia and Moldova, while threatening virtually every country near Russia's borders, including:

  1. Azerbaijan (1990–1994);[1][2]
  2. Moldova (1992–present);
  3. Georgia (2004–present);
  4. Lithuania (2006);
  5. Estonia (2006–2007);
  6. Poland (2006–present);
  7. Belarus (2007);
  8. Ukraine (2014–present);
  9. Syria (2015–present);
  10. Turkey (2015–2016);
  11. Kazakhstan (2021–2022);[3] and
  12. Armenia (2022)[4] amongst others.[5]
By any measure, Vlad the Invader is a bad-actor whose aggressions will only feed on themselves until he is defeated and stopped.
Each victory he enjoys makes it that much more difficult to defeat him the next time.

So, it's not so much about Ukraine as it is about Russia and the new Axis of Evil, including Vlad the Invader, the CCP's Xi-snake, Little Kim and the Moola Mullahs.
If we accept defeat, we can well expect many more of them.

97 posted on 10/12/2023 4:07:22 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: jmacusa

Poster honoring the 75th anniversary of Bandera’s Waffen SS Galizien

99 posted on 10/12/2023 5:55:13 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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