Posted on 10/09/2023 3:07:19 AM PDT by RandFan
Always first ask who stands to profit from war. This will be the source of who indirectly made the war happen, and the reason behind the war. It is very bipartisan and they have no loyalties to anything but money. As they say... Follow the money.
Although it has a history that goes way back, in our current times the object is to maintain perpetual war. And as you know they use our politicians and the CIA to accomplish this. The MIC doesn’t care who wins, just as long as military arms and supplies are perpetually being ordered and paid for.
And if war slows down as it did during Trump’s administration, they influence to make orders start coming back in again. Most politicians are invested in these companies so they work real hard to satisfy these companies, they stand to personally profit too. But of course you already know how this works.
Hence the reason for the Ukraine, and now because there is distaste arising against the Ukrainian war they had to get the ball rolling somewhere else before business slows down again. Hence the brand new conflict in Israel. They had Biden give the enemies of Israel funds to attack Israel so that Israel would have to buy arms from the MIC.
All the political and religious semantics are an unproductive distraction to even discuss. It is extremely simple, it is a perpetual predetermined solution waiting for a problem to solve. And so a problem was created that now needs that solution. Nothing more to understand or discuss at all. All the small details are irrelevant in the bigger picture.
“I do not support endless wars like the Ukraine debacle. I do support Israel and anything we can do to support them.”
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Ditto!
Israel’s have big britches. We should help when they have specific and actionable asks.
“I do not support endless wars like the Ukraine debacle. I do support Israel and anything we can do to support them.”
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Ditto!
That’s not practical. We live in a just-in-time digital world with instant communication worldwidr, not the ruddy dark ages where beacons on hilltops could transmit a message faster than the Pony Express.
I not advocating total Isolationism, just getting out of International Orgs.
Many conservative Neo isolationists have morphed from America First to America Only positions
The U.S. should stop arming, funding and giving political protection to the Terrorist enemies of Israel.
It is better to fight this evil over there than over here.
I referred to European civilization as white Christendom, which it was until very recently.
Too late, millions of potential terrorists have walked across our Southern border.
Either way, neither war is our business.
What do you think multinational orgs ARE?
They’re what you get if country A has multiple alliances with country B, that has multiple alliances with country C, that also has multiple alliances with Country A.
The bureaucracy of not creating an org for a multitude of alliance relationships is insurmountably complicated. Imagine if every marriage in the USA was the result of a 500 page prenup.
Which I didn’t realise until our Tory government chose the hardest Brexit option on the table. The one that literally nobody asked for.
They thought it’d make sense to get out of the European trade deal, the common market we helped set up, the customs union, the institutions, in fact every last bit of the marriage...
And then renegotiate back each bit of what we used to have inside the marriage back, bit by bit.
At the rate they’re going it’ll be 2200AD before we get back to just having what Thatcher agreed to.
This response will not be popular with some, probably many.
Basis:
(1) We will have to fight Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, ISIS, and Iran eventually. In fact, they are actively fighting us, we just are not fighting back.
(2) I prefer fighting them on their own turf rather than our own. Let’s not make the WWII mistake — stay out until we cannot stay out and the enemy is far stronger. We actually have already missed that boat to some degree.
(3) We do not want or need to put “boots on the ground” except as below.
What I think we should do:
(1) First and foremost, STAY OUT OF ISRAEL’S WAY. No pushing or pressure for “proportionate response,” “restraint,” a “cease fire,” etc.
(2) Provide such money and munitions as necessary and possible. This may be limited because thanks to the Biden regime and despite what the leftscum media says, our economy is in shambles. Also, we have committed too much to Ukraine so are not in a strong position.
(3) Maybe send in US special forces in cooperation with the IDF and their special forces to free American hostages. That part IS our battle, even if many of them are peacenick leftidiots. Pretty sure they are not all pro-Palestine now. Being gang raped tends to change someone’s opinion. If some Israeli hostages are saved along the way, all the better.
(4) No other “boots on the ground.”
(5) Bomb the crud out of whatever targets the IDF asks us to bomb. That means using cruise missiles, predators, bombers, etc. Tossing in some MOABs (Mother of All Bombs) and cluster bombs would not hurt.
(6) Do NOT give a damn about Hamas “civilian” casualties. The “civilians” overwhelmingly support Hamas. Also, Hamas uses “civilians” as human shields. A fundamental rule of successful war is you cannot care more about an enemy’s civilians than the enemy cares about their own “civilians.” After all, not all the Germans were Nazis during WWII but we still bombed the crud out of pretty much all Germany.
(7) Investigate the Biden regime for providing billions to Iran and hundreds of millions directly to the “Palestinians,” thereby directly or indirectly funding Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, ISIS, and Iran. Proceed accordingly.
(8) Investigate organizations such as Code Pink who are actively providing comfort to the enemy. Proceed accordingly.
(9) And again see (1).
Note almost none of the above will happen under the Biden regime and if a Democrat wins the White House in 2024. I do support Trump at this point but will vote for ANY Republican over ANY Democrat in 2024.
Just my thoughts. Sure many will disagree.
Stick to British Politics.
The world was way too small for isolationist bullshit in the 1940s. And it’s a heck of a lot smaller now. We can participate in this one over there or over here. But it’s coming for us.
They killed 9 Americans and are holding more hostage. Hamas made it our busniess.
You argue that the Constitution prevents us from entering into trade or alliances with other nations.
I see that Article 1 Section 10 clearly prevents states from entering into treaties, alliances, etc. On the other hand, I don’t see where this power was denied to the federal government. Instead, I see that Article 2 Section 2 gives the power to make treaties to the President with the advice and consent of two-thirds of the Senate.
Even before the Constitution, treaties were joined into by the U.S. for trade and commerce, and not merely for settling wars and border disputes. So, it was well-known by the Founder Fathers what was involved in treaty-making powers. They decided to prohibit this power to the states, and reserve it to the President with the consent of two-thirds of the Senate.
You are, of course, perfectly free to claim anything that you want, but you shouldn’t misrepresent the Constitution. Maybe you should say the Constitution SHOULD HAVE forbid treaty-making power to the federal government as well as as to the states, perhaps with a provision for settling wars and border disputes.
Nobody had ICBMs back in 1789. The great oceans of the world were a significant barrier, provided of course the bad guys were kept out of this hemisphere as provided by the Monroe Doctrine. I myself imagine I would have been a semi-isolationist (this hemisphere only) through the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
I’m sure there are Americans who died in Ukraine. Americans have died in foreign war zones all across the world. Still no reason to get involved.
“a...100% system of life”.
It’s totalitarianism. Pure and simple.
Don’t think that President Teump would agree with you. The Americans in Ukraine went thier to fight.The Americans in Israel were innocent civilians who were slaughtered
Different.
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