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Trump Won’t Have a Jury in His NY Fraud Trial Because His Lawyers Didn’t Request One
Mediaite ^ | October 2, 2023 | Sarah Rumpf

Posted on 10/02/2023 10:27:25 AM PDT by Miami Rebel

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To: MTBobcat

Yep, especially because they can probably provide plenty of evidence to show this particular judge was biased.


21 posted on 10/02/2023 10:54:19 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Miami Rebel

What will happen is the judge will rule against Trump, then it will go up to the next level or beyond, and when it is overturned, that judge will be disbarred and removed from office for the fact that the judge is/was NOT IMPARTIAL.

That is the end goal here IMO.


22 posted on 10/02/2023 10:55:09 AM PDT by crz
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To: Miami Rebel

I don’t think it’s the grounds, I think its the time it takes to hold the trial.


23 posted on 10/02/2023 10:56:35 AM PDT by vivenne (⁹)
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To: Round Earther

allow President Trump to get back to campaigning....until the next trial...and the next...and the next....


24 posted on 10/02/2023 10:57:05 AM PDT by Valin
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To: MTBobcat
“ Much easier to appeal a bench verdict.’

Is it? Not sure how.

25 posted on 10/02/2023 10:58:41 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: MTBobcat

“Much easier to appeal a bench verdict. A jury would have convicted him anyhow.”

You are absolutely correct. Jury verdicts are near sacred on appeal; a judge’s decision, not so much.


26 posted on 10/02/2023 10:59:10 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: vivenne

“And no victim or complaint.”

Lying on a loan application is a crime. Whether or not the bank fails notice it at the time. if you falsify your income when trying to get a mortgage on your house it’s still a crime even if you make your monthly payments.


27 posted on 10/02/2023 10:59:25 AM PDT by Miami Rebel
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To: Miami Rebel

Why did he say he wasn’t allowed to have a jury?


28 posted on 10/02/2023 11:07:00 AM PDT by EvelynMcHale (vroom, vroom, mothertrucker)
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To: EvelynMcHale

I dunno why he said it. Maybe his lawyers screwed up and didn’t want to let him know.


29 posted on 10/02/2023 11:09:46 AM PDT by Miami Rebel
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To: Mouton

Precisely what I said. “reasonable doubt” isn’t involved, nor is unanimity of a jury, so there is no advantage to a jury trial.


30 posted on 10/02/2023 11:10:44 AM PDT by LS
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To: crz

In New York state?

Seems unlikely.


31 posted on 10/02/2023 11:11:23 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction (Vim vi repellere licet)
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To: crz

“What will happen is the judge will rule against Trump, then it will go up to the next level or beyond, and when it is overturned, that judge will be disbarred and removed from office for the fact that the judge is/was NOT IMPARTIAL.”

Good luck with that. I can’t find a single case in which that was an outcome. That’s a pretty far-fetched strategy....And even if it were valid, not choosing a jury doesn’t do anything to enhance its chances of success.


32 posted on 10/02/2023 11:12:32 AM PDT by Miami Rebel
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To: Miami Rebel

Unlikely. Trump has been involved in many lawsuits. For sure, he would have discussed the jury trial issue with his lawyers.


33 posted on 10/02/2023 11:15:17 AM PDT by maro (MAGA!)
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To: Labyrinthos

From the US Justice Dept., Bureau of Justice Statistics (2005):

“Courts reversed a somewhat higher percentage of appeals of jury trials (40%) than appeals of bench trials (25%).”


34 posted on 10/02/2023 11:15:44 AM PDT by Miami Rebel
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To: maro

!. He wanted a jury trial. His lawyers screwed up.

OR

2. He didn’t want a jury trial. His lawyers followed his instruction.

If #1 then it’s his lawyers’ fault. If #2 then he has no reason to complain about the lack of a jury.


35 posted on 10/02/2023 11:18:50 AM PDT by Miami Rebel
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To: circlecity

Under NY law, the parties in a civil action are allowed to submit to the judge proposed findings of fact and conclusions of law, which allows counsel an opportunity to define, if not control the narrative. In addition, the trial judge is required to articulate the factual basis for its decision.

With few exceptions, jurors are not required to justify their verdicts, and even if the trial judge or appeals court disagrees with the verdict, it will allow the verdict to stand, even if it would have reached a different conclusion.

In other words, judicial decisions resulting from a bench trial are much more transparent than jury verdicts and as a result, there is a greater chance of overturning a bench decision than a jury verdict on appeal..


36 posted on 10/02/2023 11:19:03 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Miami Rebel

Who is the injured party in this? Doesn’t seem like there is one.


37 posted on 10/02/2023 11:19:28 AM PDT by beethovenfan (The REAL Great Reset will be when Jesus returns. )
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To: Miami Rebel
In a civil case, the parties all have the right to request a jury; the only reason a trial would proceed without one is if both sides decline to demand one.

This seems totally backwards to me.

Looking at the form, there are two boxes: one labeled "Trial By Jury Demanded" and one labeled "Trial No Jury." Constitutionally, a trial by jury is a right that can be waived, not waived unless demanded. I know that the 7th amendment is not incorporated into the states, but the NY State Constitution has rules for trials by jury and no jury.

What happens if neither box is checked? Shouldn't the default be a trial by jury, as this is the bedrock principle our constitutional republic?

-PJ

38 posted on 10/02/2023 11:22:03 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Miami Rebel
The last time I applied for a loan, the lender required me to send them three years of tax returns and three years of financial statements for my business. I don’t know how anyone could claim you are lying if the tax returns verify the income.

And when it comes to real estate asset valuations, there is no way to “lie” about something that is subjective by definition. That’s why lenders do their own appraisals instead of accepting the borrower’s estimates at face value.

39 posted on 10/02/2023 11:22:57 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: MTBobcat

Much easier to appeal a bench verdict. A jury would have convicted him anyhow.
........
You are correct IF attorneys challeng appealabe misdeeds of judge timely.


40 posted on 10/02/2023 11:27:48 AM PDT by amihow (It is Western Civilization that confers privilege, not whiteness. Ask Carson, MLK, Sowell.)
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