Posted on 10/01/2023 5:52:32 AM PDT by MtnClimber
I have not decided yet who I think an RFK Jr independent ticket would help the most. I will be interested to read the comments.
He’ll get some votes from never-Trumpers.
Rats despite their utter lack of principals are insanely party loyal. I think this probably hurts Trump more.
Which we need. We need every vote. I’m not cool with writing off voters. It’s like people here think we can win only with trumpers. Not true. He barely won in 2016 with just 17,000 votes. And 2020, they cheated but isn’t in the seat. He needs every vote!!!!!
Democrat voters are not interested in him and their interest will drop completely as the media works it and the nutty guys keep embracing him as the answer to something or other.
Possibly. It pisses me off that someone who would support Trump would also support RFK, Jr.
RFK Jr. is the Democrats’ version of Ross Perot. He’ll pick up votes from both parties but more from the Dems. He’ll run as a candidate to clean up Washington corruption (and you know how bad things have become when a Kennedy is considered the clean candidate). But I would even settle for him being this year’s Ralph Nader.
Jr for Attorney General in a second Trump administration. Turn him loose on Fauci, the CDC and the alphabet agencies. Make the deal, Donald.
RFK II has a voice made for silent movies. Once people actually hear him try to speak, his support will go from 10% of democrats to 1% or less of everybody. His only hope would be some kind of Steven Hawking voice-over that doesn’t sound as artificial.
Trump has to control the narrative, make the election a debate about Climate, 2nd amendment, tax policy then it’ll split off Rats but the media will try to make the election a referendum on COVID do that he’ll pull from Trump.
RFJ jr polls around 14% for Dems many of whom think Biden shouldn’t even run for a second term.RFK appeals to some Trump voters but they are already voting for Trump. The “Never Trumpers” are largely NeoCons so they’d vote Biden before RFK since he is anti-war /anti globalist more so than Trump.
I’d think RFK would pick up some of the older hippie types and boomers who loved the Kennedys.
Posted on another forum: (Not mine, but it I liked it).
"Not surprising Democrats are loyal. They vote if their candidate is corrupt. They vote if he's a vegetable. They vote if he's dead. They vote if they're dead. "
Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at September 29, 2023 04:00 PM
I think this probably hurts Trump more.
I do not believe the RFK candidacy hurts Trump at all. Some "never Trumpers" might vote for RFK, but they were never going to vote for Trump anyway. The only question in my mind is "can RFK hurt the Democrats enough to matter?"
I might vote for RFK - if Trump, DeSantis, and Ramaswamy are all eliminated from the ballots. That trifecta seems unlikely, but the chances are not zero.
I think “age” will loom large next time. I doubt either party wants candidates over 75. DT’s only chance imo is 80+ Biden running again, which is inconceivable imo. Dems would be wise to choose a woman imo, like https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/about/gov
I can barely understand a word he says - I am a radio listener - I think this issue alone will hurt him.
That said, the Kennedy name still caries a lot of “gravitas” among Democrat voters - he’ll get lots of media time, perhaps not in the way he wants - and he’ll draw off lots of Democrat votes.
Ramaswamy is a complete a total fraud... top to bottom.
The only thing “interesting” about Ramaswamy is how many people intially fell for his lies and projected things on this abject fraud that are not there.
Secondly, the belief that RFK will siphon more from the D’s than from the R’s is no sure thing.
What you need to watch with RFK Jr. is if he does announce as an independent, what the MSM do, after the initial “news” of him announcing dies down.
If they continue to cover him with any frequency, that tells you they believe he is siphoning more votes from the GOP than the Dems... if they return to basically a news blackout on him, then they believe he is hurting the Dems.
IN an head to head race, RFK Jr. would handily win against Trump, and I say that as a very ardent Trump supporter. The Democrats establishment however, will NEVER EVER let him be their nominee.
Doesn’t hurt Trump, only helps.
RFK is
*anti-gun
*pro-abort
*climate jihadist who wants to “lock up” climate “deniers”
*wants to destroy the U.S. plastics industry
*opposes the Court’s affirmative action decision.
Only the most radically anti-vax people would overlook all this to vote for him.
NONE of this describes the 10-13 million Trump-only voters who are not R, not D, hate both parties. RFK might suck 1% from them, but he’d take far more from Rutabaga.
” the Kennedy name still caries a lot of “gravitas” among Democrat voters - he’ll get lots of media time”
This remains to be seen, the MSM has by and large put an embargo on anything related to RFK JR so far, because the Democrat establishment does not want him. Once he announces as an indepedent and that news cycle dies down, we will see if the media covers him or not.
IF they do, then they have concluded him being in the race harms Trump more, if they continue their embargo, they have concluded he harms the Democrats more.
The MSM is the propaganda wing of the Democrat party, don’t think for one minute that just because RFK Jr is popular with the public, that the media will give him the time of day. If they conclude him running helps Trump win, they will embargo any news about him just like they have been so far this cycle.
I think he pulls more votes from Biden (or the substitute RAT) than from Trump.
BUT, he screws us in congress. Biden’s impairment is getting more and more obvious every day. A lot of RATs won’t vote for him, but will stay home rather than vote for Trump. Suddenly there is a (D) alternative, but those down ticket votes will now go to RATs instead of just disappearing.
I think he’ll need security after this and not from the deepstate!
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