Update from Ukraine | A new Attack operation on the south | Kadyrov could be in coma

Youtube.com ^ | 9-16-2023 | Denys Davydov

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

Update from Ukraine | A new Attack operation on the south | Kadyrov could be in coma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zpvDWopHCg

The summary of the situation of Russian re-invasion to Ukraine covering the recent developments on the battlefield, as of 13th September 2023 – 22:00 (Kyiv time). [NOTE: two summaries per week, released on Wednesday and Sunday]

https://militaryland.net/news/invasion-day-567-summary/

*** Great interactive maps with viewer controlled Map magnification tool to use for each Front!

https://militaryland.net/maps/

[fieldmarshaldj]

Really hilarious when you see the casual racism and dehumanization directed at Russians by these trolls.

[fieldmarshaldj]

I’ll give you one more: Disband NATO. As it should’ve been after 1991.

[fieldmarshaldj]

They only want to sacrifice the teenaged children of hapless Ukrainians living under the totalitarian dictatorship of Zelensky.

[Allegra]

I’ve read your posts a lot Rocco....Have never seen you write anything even sideways racist. I was stunned too by his accusation.

Neither have I. And I worked with Rocco over in the sandbox at one time as well. There’s not a racist bone in his body.

Leftists calling conservatives “racist” when they’re losing an argument is such an old, tired, wussy tactic.

[MinorityRepublican]

What are we supposed to do, let Putin occupy Ukraine?

No but at the same time we shouldn't give Ukraine a blank check. If the EU wants to continue to support Ukraine, then they need to do that. We don't have to take the lead.

[fieldmarshaldj]

If “queers are despised by everyone” in the Ukraine, how did the pervert creep Zelensky get elected ? And how did he get away pushing the Sodomite agenda while in office AND in the middle of this civil war ?!

We won’t get an answer from Baba Booey.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Red Chinese troll.

[Allegra]

Day in and day out….all the live-long day.

[MinorityRepublican]

EEE and many others here espouse the belief that if the US withdraws from the world, the world will not blow up and take us with it. That might have partially worked 200 years ago...

Pearl Harbor. 9/11.

We don't have to be involved in the world's affairs. But we should keep an eye on it.

[crz]

Whats that I see? Hair on the palms?

[MalPearce]

Thanks for asking civil questions.

Would you object to the USA providing directly to Ukraine from here on out only physical (not money) humanitarian aid and older weapons we would otherwise scrap or replace in coming(5?) years?

No, but I'd caution that doing it leaves a bunch of long term questions unresolved, and it'd cause the USA some reputational damage.

Ukraine didn't get "muscled" by Nuland and co. Poroshenko, then Zelensky, invoked the Budapest Memorandum. As much as the Russkies here don't like it pointed out to them, the Memorandum was signed by an independent Russia, an independent United Kingdom, and an independent USA. It's as close as the world could ever get to a binding non-aggression treaty... And Russia totally violated every clause except one by systematically trying to take Ukraine over - first by attempting an assassination on Yuschenko to get their puppet Yanukovych a win by default, then by blackmailing Ukraine from 2008 to Winter 2013, then by getting Yanukovych to violate his constitutional oath of office on December 17th 2013. And when ALL OF THAT FAILED, they resorted to military offensive.

If Britain and the USA didn't uphold their signatures on that bargain, after Russia totally violated their end, then the entire post-WW2 concept of collective defense goes the way of the dodo. The precedent would mean, China invading Taiwan would be without consequences, Russia invading the Baltic states would be without consequences.

Have you read Russia's demands to NATO from December 2021 that were repeated when the peace negotiations in 2022 NEARLY came to an agreement? What you're pitching is exactly what Putin and the Kremlin pitched. In effect, "NATO must let us invade anyone we like, and ask our permission before even doing training exercises, and if you don't agree to that then we'll invade Ukraine."

Ukraine must agree to no strikes more than 70 miles inside Russia’s 2013 borders, and they must be on military or relevant logistics targets.

They already are. Apart from the tiny fireworks that hit some apartment roofs in Moscow, and that very obviously staged one at the Kremlin, can you name a single incident of Ukraine bombing a theater full of sheltering kids? Or any maternity hospitals?

I've got friends and colleagues in Khmelnytskyi (which is hundreds of miles from the front lines), who've lost their homes due to Russian rockets.

The idea that Ukraine, while facing off a military invasion, needs to officiously avoid hitting a single civilian in the country that's invading it, EVEN INSIDE UKRAINE'S OWN BORDERS, while that country's spent almost eighteen months deliberately attacking civilian population centers, is just a ridiculous Revanchist troll position - especially because Ukraine's never done that before the SMO and even now still isn't doing it.

Ukraine has the moral and international legal right to wipe the Russian invaders off its internal map. That includes all of Donbas, the four fake annexations. The one concession I'd probably grant you is Crimea had too many ex-pat Russians living there before the SMO for Ukraine to reasonably accuse them all of being part of the invading force, but as far as I'm concerned Ukraine can run combine harvesters over every last frickin' Russkie in south Ukraine - they whole darned lot of them are complicit in the invasion and if they really do want to live under the Russia n yoke that much they can always piss off back over the 1991 border between Ukraine and Russia.

I realize that in practice our NATO allies would not be happy, but, A) The Euros have recently committed a large block of funds to aiding Ukraine in coming years, so monies from those funds should be available, and, B) We could offer easy financing to stable NATO allies. C) Europe bears considerable responsibility for not listening to Trump years ago!

I cannot disagree with a single word there, but you do need to distinguish between two things. EU-NATO needs to take the lead on this, absolutely - and the USA should step away from any conflicts between Europe and Russia. Ideally, demote itself to EU-NATO Partner. But, and here's the big but, as long as the USA has got NATO Article 5 security assurances AND the USA remains the only country that's ever invoked Article 5 AND you want the world to respect your signature on a treaty, you can't break the Budapest Memorandum on the basis of nickle-and-diming your way out of obligations you signed up to AND expect other countries to honor when it's YOU doing the asking.

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

“you can’t break the Budapest Memorandum on the basis of nickle-and-diming your way out of obligations you signed up to AND expect other countries to honor when it’s YOU doing the asking.”

Everyone has to skim over the detractor ‘non-content’ comments.

However, I appreciate your thoughtful summation. Thank you for your comment

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

“I can’t recall the last time I EVER saw her on a prayer thread. Very telling.”

Yes. Isn’t it! 😉

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

Russia is just an unwelcomed squatter in Ukraine

[Sunsong]

“Russia is just an unwelcomed squatter in Ukraine”

yes, true “an unwelcome, violent, barbaric squatter”

[blitz128]

Nations doing what they want that happen to be on russias borders is not encroaching, perhaps if Russia/soviets had been a better occupier er ah neighbor then these individual and independent nations would have sided and aligned with Russia.

The funny and ironic taper is that one of putins claims to justify this invasion was to stop nato expansion, how exactly is that going puttie

Still master strategist lol

[Widget Jr]

Got links?

[fieldmarshaldj]

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4181466/posts?page=258#258

[cabojoe]

I’ve learned as most of us have that the first one to cry racism is most likely the racist.

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

MESSAGE:

I’m sorry cannot report anymore info tonight regarding this EVIL invasion of Ukraine by EVIL Putin.

All for the EVIL fantasy of Putin to resurrect the Russian empire.

My hearts is breaking & I am crying after sharing these reports. Again, PRAY for the military victims of both Russia & Ukraine as well as the Ukrainian civilians.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4183106/posts?page=6#6
https://freerepublic.com/focus/chat/4183106/posts?page=7#7