there is no rapture and the Bible is very clear about that. everyone will go through the tribulation.
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“there is no rapture and the Bible is very clear about that. everyone will go through the tribulation.”
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Perhaps you might like to explain that to Enoch and Elijah.
Or better yet, how would you explain away the catching up of Enoch and Elijah?
Hebrews 11:5
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5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
2 Kings 2:10-12
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10 And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so.
11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.
Or, while your add it, explain how a Man, Crucified for our sins, buried for 3 days, was able to be Resurrected? This ought to be easy for one who has established in his own mind that it’s not possible.
John 11:25
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25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Acts 23:6
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6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
Acts 24:21
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21 Except it be for this one voice, that I cried standing among them, Touching the resurrection of the dead I am called in question by you this day.
1 Corinthians 15:12
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12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
...and before you say the Resurrection is only for the dead, then explain THIS:
1 Thessalonians 4:17
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17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
The following are synonomous one with the other:
Rapture, Catching away, Snatched away, Resurrection, harpazo
Thanks, I’ll be awaiting your response.
If the bible is so clear about that, why do I not find the church mentioned in Revelation on earth from the time John has his vision of the future in Rev 4 until Christ returns in Rev 19?
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“there is no rapture and the Bible is very clear about that. everyone will go through the tribulation.”
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Perhaps you might want to take that up with God.
Mark 10:27
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27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
Who is the source of the Tribulation and what is its point? I would argue God is the source, the party starts when Jesus starts breaking the seven seals. I believe the point is to punish the wicked and to reconcile Israel with God. If that's the case, where does the Church fit into that agenda? If Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient, how are we targets of God's wrath? If the Church is still on earth, what is the need for the 144,000?
I don't believe in the Rapture as a way of escaping. The worst that can happen to me during the Tribulation is that I might die horribly, but I could die horribly today, so escapism isn't what motivates my belief. I believe in the Rapture because in the instances where God delivers divine wrath on the earth - Noah and Lot - he gets his people out of the way. He discriminates. And then there are the numerous bible verses the sure seem to allude to a rapture occurring.
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“there is no rapture and the Bible is very clear about that. everyone will go through the tribulation.”
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So, based on YOUR theory, explain THIS:
Acts 8:27-39
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27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
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39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
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Weak & sophomoric.
I wouldn’t expect anything less from an unbeliever.