Posted on 08/27/2023 3:36:44 PM PDT by Right Wing Vegan
A video of Ukrainian youths forcing a Polish man to chant 'Glory To Ukraine' and then ganging up on him and other Polish people when they refused to say it is now going viral. The video has triggered angry responses on Polish social media, with netizens calling for Ukrainians to be deported to fight Russia instead. Watch the video for more details.
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I didn’t see anything in the normal Polish news sources I frequent so I figured this was not the story.
Yes. Deport them. And send them all to the front lines.
Ukraine needs warm male bodies.
Both sides release propaganda. This is war, propaganda is ammo. You can prefer one sides propaganda if it turns out their reporting of facts accords better with third party confirmation or the admissions of the other side. In this case, Polish sources contradict this story, it is false.
The Ukrainian MOD information so far is generally correct, though I doubt some of it. Specific claims tend to be backed up with plausible video. Russian MOD claims usually aren’t.
I doubt Uke MOD statistical claims of Russian losses, as in a general historical context kill claims are overstated, even if honestly intended. Everyone is an optimist on these things. Russian MOD estimates are much less trustworthy IMHO.
What about hiding in Israel?
If it is from the Hindustan Times you should have a pretty good idea that it is likely to be fake news.
Maybe. But it’s entirely possible they simply did not get word of the police report.
News from the link:
"The police confirmed in a statement that a fight took place on the Vistula Boulevards in Warsaw on the night of Thursday to Friday. According to information from the capital's services, a total of 13 people were identified, including Georgian citizens, who were identified as aggressors. The police strongly denied that Ukrainians were among the participants in the brawl.The case was also taken up by the Warsaw prosecutor's office. – The Warsaw Śródmieście-Północ District Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw has launched an investigation into the fight on the Vistula Boulevards. The proceedings concern an offense involving the beating of six Polish citizens, informed the spokesman for the prosecutor's office, Szymon Banna. The beating itself is punishable by up to three years in prison
Stanisław Żaryn also spoke on the matter. The representative of the government stressed that the recording that circulated on social media did not present events involving Ukrainian citizens, but Georgian ones. “The police have identified all participants of the incident and are carrying out further activities. The case is being used to destabilize the internal situation in Poland and incite Poles,” said an associate of Mariusz Kamiński, adding that this is a method of operation that corresponds to Russia's operations against Poland.
From 5th April 2022
A rally in Berlin that was organised to draw attention to growing hostility towards Russians in Germany but included demonstrators supportive of the invasion of Ukraine has drawn sharp criticism from politicians and diplomats.
About 900 protesters in a 400-strong motorcade took part in the demonstration on Sunday that culminated in a gathering at the Olympic Stadium. Cars were draped in the Russian flag, and one bore the symbol “Z”, meant to signify solidarity with the Russian war. Participants reportedly sang patriotic Russian songs.
Ukraine refuses to release the number of Ukrainians that have been injured or killed in this pointless war. Makes the propaganda easier to swallow that way.
So does Russia. So have most governments at war, to one degree or another. Why give your enemies such information?
We who are looking at this from the outside are not in the loop, and we shouldn’t be, from the POV of the combatants.
The US has released such information, in the course of its post-1945 wars, but that is because of the unique character of the US political situation, and the low-stakes nature of its “wars of choice”. Arguably that information, usually the obsessive focus of political conflict at the time, was significantly detrimental to the success of US efforts.
As I am currently poking around in Thucydides (though his account ends before this) consider the case of the casualty reports from the battle of Arginousae (or Arginousai). This was notorious, and widely commented on in antiquity. Well covered in Kagan’s “Pelopponesian War”, so you don’t have to chase all over ancient literature.
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