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Aaron Maté @aaronjmate: More proof that US sees Ukrainians as cannon fodder
twitter.com ^ | August 17, 2023 | Aaron Maté @aaronjmate

Posted on 08/22/2023 7:51:20 PM PDT by ransomnote

On X/Twitter:

More proof that US sees Ukrainians as cannon fodder:

US-UK helped formulate a battle plan that "anticipated" Ukraine taking heavy losses. US-UK officials "envisioned Kyiv accepting the casualties as the cost of piercing through Russia’s main defensive line."

Instead, after suffering "major casualties... Ukraine chose to stem the losses on the battlefield."

US-UK "vision" requires Ukrainians to sacrifice themselves.

[ransomnote: link to following Washington Post article  here.]

Aug 17, 2023
 


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To: Williams

Putin is still in power thanks to Obama and Biden.


21 posted on 08/22/2023 8:46:11 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ransomnote

“The US” is the Joe Biden regime. It is not the American people.


22 posted on 08/22/2023 9:15:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Williams

I absolutely have faith when the Wash Post and NYT report official Regime messaging and leaks.

Not only that, they are the core of “The Cathedral”, so they have a role in deciding what actually happens, not just reporting.


23 posted on 08/22/2023 9:31:55 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Williams

“...you sound like a 60’s leftist...”


And you are stuck in a Cold War time warp where it is eternally 1983.

The Cold War has been over for 35 years, but you can’t give it up.

It’s like living in 1980, and preparing to attack Germany because they were the Nazis 35 years previously.


24 posted on 08/22/2023 9:37:31 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright
The Cold War has been over for 35 years,


25 posted on 08/22/2023 9:44:46 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Yup.

Austin Powers demonstrates Eternal Recurrence.


26 posted on 08/22/2023 9:47:56 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: ransomnote
All the FR cheerleaders hear, is Ukraine is getting F-16s. They don't take into consideration that the F-16s are old equipment, yet far more sophisticated then what Ukrainian pilots have ever flown. They will be training 6 pilots, and the training will be minimal basic information, because F-16 pilots are not created in weeks totaling perhaps a few months.

They will likely lose the jets & the pilots in rather short order, but they think this will be a game changer.

They profess their concern for these people, yet the cheer them to the last man. They are destroying the Ukrainian population for generations to come. Thy may never recover from the devastation being done to them.

But hey, they wanted war with Russia, now they have it. Moral of the story, be very careful of what you wish for, because chances are you will not like the results if you are unprepared for what you are wishing for.

27 posted on 08/22/2023 10:23:57 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Williams
Or that all the Ukrainian women left and married foreigners so the Ukrainian men have “nothing to fight for”?

These are like a five year old’s vision of the world.

No, a five-year-old's vision is that war is a great adventure. Five-year-old boys don't think about losing their wives to foreign men. They think about bang! bang, you're dead, yah, I win!

Adult men feel despair when losing their wives and children to foreign men, while they're left holding the bag of dying in a war for nothing.

28 posted on 08/22/2023 10:36:14 PM PDT by Angelino97
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Excerpt from Tucker's interview with Colonel Douglas Macgregor.

"I think all of the lies that have been told for more than a year and  half about the 'Ukrainians are winning'; 'the Ukrainian cause is just'; 'the Russians are evil'; 'the Russians are incompetent'.....all of that is collapsing. And it's collapsing because  what's happening on the battlefield is horrific.

Ukrainians now, we think, have lost now 400,000 men killed in battle. We were talking about 300,000 - 350,000  a few months ago. Within the last month of this supposed counter-offensive which was to sweep the battlefield, they lost at least 40,000 killed. We don't even know how many people have been wounded but we know that probably upwards of 40-50 thousand soldiers are amputees.

We know the hospitals are full, and we know that Ukrainian units at the platoon and company level, that's worth anywhere from 50, to 150 to  200 men,are in piecemeal fashion, surrendering to the Russians. Not because they don't want to fight, it's because they can't fight anymore. They have so many wounded, they can't evacuate them, and commanders are saying, "Well if I can't evacuate my wounded, I'm going to surrender because otherwise the wounded will die."

And so they call the Russians, they all speak Russian, and tell them on the radio, "Look, I've got 50- 60 wounded here. I'm going to surrender because I don't want them to be killed, and the Russians, from the very beginning, have always treated the Ukrainians very fairly, and very gently. So they know they're not going to be abused or mistreated. They know they can actually be exchanged for Russian prisoners in the future, so they're surrendering. And I think we're going to see this army, that we've been spending on so heavily, increasingly melt away."

29 posted on 08/22/2023 11:10:29 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Williams

The war has been going on since 2014. The US/EU engineered coup of the duly elected government of Ukraine led by Victoria Nuland spawned the separatist movement in the Donbas and provoked the first unopposed Russian invasion that resulted in the annexation of Crimea.

The Obama/Biden Administration essentially did nothing in response save for some meaningless diplomatic actions and minor sanctions. Fast forward to the Biden Administration, which marked the return of the same cast of characters who presided over the coup, including Blinken and Nuland along with Sullivan. Add to this witches brew our Ukraine compromised, witless President Biden.

This crew of fools and knaves pushed for NATO membership for Ukraine knowing full well they were crossing an oft stated Putin red line. With Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian border for months, Biden eschewed a diplomatic solution. Instead, Biden pursued a more confrontational stance that prompted the second invasion.

Biden’s stated goal in this proxy war is the removal of Putin and a weakening of the Russian military. The US and its allies essentially declared economic war on Russia to destroy its economy and currency. We have entered into a new Cold War with Russia.

Most of the world has ignored the sanctions against Russia, including NATO members Hungary and Turkey. Europe has seen its energy and food costs rise along with experiencing a wave of 7 million Ukrainian refugees. The US is paying the costs of the entire Ukrainian government including pensions. The country is being destroyed and their military decimated.

Ukraine was a poor, corrupt country before the war. It is far worse now with an estimated $1 trillion needed to rebuild the country. The Russians now hold more territory in Ukraine than before the second invasion. As a result, we have a smaller, poorer Ukraine, which is in a war it can’t win. Despite investing $200 billion in Ukraine and counting, the US has seen Russia increase its military power and develop a closer relationship with China, the real existential threat to America.

The US has no exit strategy. And we can’t afford to borrow more money to throw down this rathole. Another endless war that weakens us. Thanks, Joe Biden.


30 posted on 08/23/2023 12:28:04 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Reverend Wright

“Austin Powers demonstrates Eternal Recurrence.”

It’s like Groundhog Day with some of these guys, or women, in this case.


31 posted on 08/23/2023 1:14:37 AM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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To: Reverend Wright

The US instigated open warfare in that area of the world to murder white people.


32 posted on 08/23/2023 3:12:49 AM PDT by joma89 (Buy weapons and ammo, folks, and have the will to use them.)
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To: ransomnote

At the end of this, all that will be left is a smaller and much less populous rump Ukraine west of the Dnieper. Of the 34 million or so Ukrainians, 8-9 million have left the country never to return.

The one good thing about this is as White European Christians, they will be relatively easily assimilated into other European countries which will help offset those countries’ low birth rates. So it will effectively be a one time shot in the arm for them. Poland and Hungary have taken a bunch.


33 posted on 08/23/2023 3:39:00 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: dfwgator

Almost seems convenient…almost.


34 posted on 08/23/2023 4:29:09 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: ransomnote

not all Americans see Ukrainians as cannon fodder

unfortunately the neocons and war cheerleaders have too much authority


35 posted on 08/23/2023 5:05:06 AM PDT by SisterK (it's controlled demolition)
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To: dfwgator

World diversity

The Liberal crusade - war

Pc supremacists


36 posted on 08/23/2023 10:31:27 AM PDT by Firehath
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