Posted on 08/16/2023 2:25:31 AM PDT by ganeemead
This is the German version of how WW2 got started in Europe
Now, as far as I am concerned, Adolf Hitler was a goofball and a slave to his own racist ideology and if there was a reason for anybody to like the guy, I wouldn't know what it was.
Nonetheless, if anybody were to ask me who started WW2 in Europe, I'd not hesitate to answer the British and the Poles.
Pat Buchanan has said that the Brits were handing out war guarantees like they were cotton candy at the time and stopped the Poles from dealing with Germany in a rational manner wrt the situation with Danzig, a German city that they had no business owning or ruling. Likewise, in March of last year, Russians and Ukrainians were both ready to sign a rational treaty when Boris Johnson flies in through the window like SuperMan and blows the entire thing up, telling the ukies that England and Nato had their backs absolutely and that they could defeat Russia rather than betraying the entire western world by signing the treaty.
In other words, the British system for recruiting war proxies has not changed since 1939. The analogy is stunning.
Churchill could have warned us about Pearl Harbour and didn’t.
Good Lord, how stupid can you be?
The reason the British and the French allied with Poland is due to Hitler’s history of breaking agreements. The entire point of the Munich agreement in October of 1938 was to settle the German border with Czechoslovakia.
Instead the Germans tuned around in March of 1939 and occupied the rest of the Czech Lands and turned Slovakia into a puppet state.
Hitler could not be trusted, he was never going to negotiate in good faith over the Polish Corridor or Danzig’s status. His goal was to dismember Poland, and he struck a deal with Stalin to do it. The British/French guarantee to the Poles was a last ditch attempt to stave off a War which Hitler was determined to start.
> Hitler could not be trusted, he was never going to negotiate in good faith over the Polish Corridor or Danzig’s status. <
Absolutely, 100% correct. I don’t see how anyone could doubt that. I was a huge admirer of Pat Buchanan until he started to push the nonsense that Churchill was responsible for WW 2. The British should have just let Hitler have Poland, says Pat. No big deal.
For some reason, Buchanan is determined to let Hitler off the hook here. It seriously makes me wonder what Buchanan‘s core beliefs really are.
No he couldn’t, and he didn’t know about the Pearl Harbor operation.
In the fall of 1941 all eyes in the Pacific were focused on Japan’s build up towards what they called the Southern Resource Area (Malaya and the Dutch East Indies) and the Philippines.
The British were reinforcing Singapore and Malaya, the US was reinforcing the Philippines. FDR called the Philippine Army into Federal Service back in the Summer of 1941. The US was evacuating China. The 4th Marines had been evacuated to the Philippines as had the Yangtze River Patrol gunboats. (Yes, the USN sailed riverboats access the South China Sea in December weather.) The remaining Marines in China were due to be evacuated on December 10th.
The Pearl Harbor strike was an addition, designed to keep the Pacific Fleet out of the Southwest Pacific, not the main Japanese attack. That’s why it was a surprise, and an effective one, but ultimately counter productive.
Actually, there is reason to believe that Churchill warned the US and that FDR thought a sufficient war warning was passed on to the commanders at Pearl Harbor. As it was, FDR’s plan seems to have been for the Japanese to attack and be decisively repulsed with little damage to the Pacific fleet. There was little understanding in Washington about the potency of the Imperial Japanese Navy or the inadequacy of US defenses.
Golly, imagine that, Hitler and the Nazis had the right to attack Poland but the dastardly British got in the way by telling Hitler that it would mean war if he did.
Why? It was FDR who set up the attack on Pearl Harbor in the first place. FDR already knew.
I don’t discount anything now days.
I want to believe John Ainsworth-Davis’s account of Dutch submarine K-XVII.
I find it interesting his story seems to be hidden from people in the United States.
I didn’t say FDR didn’t know about it.
I said Churchill didn’t warn the US.
Churchill knew that FDR knew. No reason to tell him.
The point I was making was that the Brits have treated Poland and Ukraine in exactly the same manner; both were wheedled, hoodwinked, scammed and conned into wars they had no chance to win and then abandoned.
The U.S. was so mentally ill prepared to fight a modern war that the Japanese successfully launched a devastating air raid against the Philippines after Pearl Harbor. The hubris in the U.S. military was thick.
Hitler was a creature of the Treaty of Versailles.
No, Yammamoto set up Pearl Harbor.
FDR did not need an attack on Pearl Harbor for War with Japan, even if he wanted it.
War would have come with the first bomb on Wake Island, Guam, or the Philippines.
More the the point, the US was already in an undeclared shooting war with Germany regarding Convoy Escorts, FDR did not need a second war in the Pacific.
“Churchill could have warned us about Pearl Harbour and didn’t.”
Sorry, England did try to warn us but it didn’t work out.
After the English destroyed the Italian fleet at Taranto the Japanese went over every point of the attack with the Germans. Taranto was the same type of harbor as Pearl and the Japanese were already plotting to destroy the US fleet.
The English knew that because they had a man inside the German intelligence service who was pretending to spy on the English but actually working FOR the English.
The English sent that man, Dusko Popov, to the US with all the relevant information. “Officially” Popov was here under orders of the Abwehr in order to set up a spy ring in the US. The English had notified the US department of state that Popov was here with critical information. State sent him to the FBI and J Edgar Hoover. Hoover instantly disliked Popov, refused to give much credence to his information and even threatened to arrest him under the Mann Act.
What Hoover did with the information is unknown.
Can’t say England didn’t try.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du%C5%A1ko_Popov
Danzig was only the pretext. Hitler wanted to reclaim all lands not just from the Reich before WWI, he also considered any lands part of the former Austria-Hungary Empire as “German”.
Hitler invented the Sudetenland Crisis, to stop Czechoslovakia from becoming a base for British and French troops.
Your point is factually and historically wrong.
Hint: If your argument leads you to defend Adolf Hitler, odds are you are making a mistake.
Now, where the Poles may have goofed, and I say this is one who is very sympathetic to the Poles, is their insistance that Soviet troops not be based in Poland, as the British and French wanted, so as to conclude an alliance with Russia against Hitler.
In hindsight, considering that the Soviets got their half of Poland anyway, through the Non-Aggression Pact, it may have stopped Hitler from invading Poland.
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