Would a "Dirt Bike", with a spark arrestor work?
Posted on 08/15/2023 1:58:25 AM PDT by Libloather
Desperate survivors in Lahaina are robbing people at gunpoint as they wait for food and shelter in the aftermath of the Maui wildfires, Hawaiian locals said.
"There's some police presence. There's some small military presence, but at night people are being robbed at gunpoint," co-owner of a Lāhainā bar called The Dirty Monkey, Matt Robb, told Business Insider.
Robb added: "People are raped and pillaged. I mean, they're going through houses - and then by day it's hunky-dory. So where is the support? I don't think our government and our leaders, at this point, know how to handle this or what to do."
Fox News Digital reached out to the County of Maui for information about the alleged looting but did not hear back by time of publication.
Residents spoke to local news outlets as they await rescue crews to deliver food, water, diapers, and other necessities, many who lost everything are growing desperate.
Owner of restaurant Coconut Caboose Jeremy Aganos, one of the businesses that survived the fires, told KITV it is "utter chaos" for those seeking aid. His business was attacked by looters, he said.
Aganos set up a GoFundMe for the restaurant's losses.
Another Lahaina resident, Barrett Procell, told the news station he and his wife are now homeless and wearing donated clothes. He said he understands the desperate measures some Lahaina survivors are taking.
"When your children are here starving after almost burning to death and the police won’t let people drive in to give you necessities, you may turn to desperate measures. It is unfortunate people are turning to looting right now, but it’s about helping them and not villainizing them," he said.
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“Give the detailed scenarios and we can supply the answers, although the people who were below the water level when the levee broke in New Orleans make for a worst-case scenario for a prepper, that one seemed to have called for a bug-out bag and a canoe for the normal prepper, with maybe an Alaskan style cache shack on stilts for the radical, hard-core survivalist living in that below water level area.”
That was my scenario. A tornado has demolished my house, my car, my neighborhood. My house is a slab. There are trees and power lines down everywhere and it will take a couple of days before anyone can reach me. That is not unrealistic where I live. Let’s hear how I should prep.
The same way people are doing it and have been for years, even centuries in tornado country, create a tornado shelter.
Yes. Its up to the gov to activate them.
Prayer.
Unless you are very strong, very quick and very lucky, you very likely die in that extreme scenario. It is not possible to prep for everything.
The best you can do in some conditions is to respond appropriately to the immediate circumstances that you are facing. Are you a fighter? Then fight. Are you a runner? Then run. Are you a talker? Then talk. Anything that you do might help. You won't know until afterwards.
If you have an intact supply cache nearby, of course you can open it up and use what is in it. Better have enough for several people to use. Better have some reliable family members or reliable friends to share it with. That is the master preparation right there.
Selco and Fernandez pointed this out very clearly in their writings. They both survived extreme breakdowns in their social order, which lasted for years. Keeping a very low profile and teaming up with a small group of close relatives, or a few friends was their key to survival under worst-case conditions.
“It is not possible to prep for everything.”
That was my point. Some people just can’t admit that and come up with some really ridiculous and unrealistic ideas.
“The same way people are doing it and have been for years, even centuries in tornado country, create a tornado shelter.”
Oh hell, why didn’t I think of that? All I need is about $20000 to contract it out, or I guess I could do it myself for just a few thousand. Easy peasy.
You said your house was on a slab, get your hands dirty making yourself a little tornado shelter, after all, in your scenario you were all dead and didn’t need anything anymore.
I recall watching some “I shouldn’t be alive” show where the tornado hits. The man had hand dug a small storm shelter under his house that was “slab-on-grade”. He cut a small hole in the concrete and put a door on it and covered it with a rug.
It was small and cramped, but saved his family. The neighbors around him didn’t survive.
The one “good” thing about a tornado is that they have a relatively narrow path of damage. They can wipe out small towns of course, but in tornado country there are plenty of roads to get to the edge of town.
I imagine this town in Hawaii was pretty isolated to begin with, with limited access. Crazy that the government is blocking private aid to them.
“We’re from the government and we’re here to help.”
“You said your house was on a slab, get your hands dirty making yourself a little tornado shelter, after all, in your scenario you were all dead and didn’t need anything anymore.”
Yeah, you’re probably right.
Would a "Dirt Bike", with a spark arrestor work?
“Would a “Dirt Bike”, with a spark arrestor work?”
Probably not. First, it would have gone away with the house and barn. Second, I live in the woods with a lot of big old oak trees and swamps. You wouldn’t get around those.
Shoot the road block enforcers. Leave none alive but leave 1 case of water.
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