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To: zeestephen
Russia's Vladimir Putin has demonstrated that he wants to wage a perpetual ideological, economic and physical war against the West.

What exactly is Putin's "ideology" that is such a threat to the West? Nationalism? Anti-globalist LGBTQ politics? The promotion of traditional Russian culture? Russian economic self-interest? Protection of Russian Borders? Christianity?

5 posted on 08/14/2023 6:00:09 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

Stop it! Before you know it, the Forever War zealots might actually think about it and blow their own tiny minds.


6 posted on 08/14/2023 6:07:12 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (The Forever War is a crime against humanity)
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To: PGR88; wildcard_redneck

What you said.

The propaganda never stops. Keep the hate flowing... I’m beginning to think that Russia is almost as great as climate change in that there is nothing it can’t do or harm.

You would think that after years (decades?) of Russia, Russia, Russia some people would have caught on by now.


8 posted on 08/14/2023 6:11:11 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: PGR88
What exactly is Putin's "ideology" that is such a threat to the West?

Putin's throttling of democracy and dissent in Russia. Putin's aggression and imperialism.

Russia has put forward a highly contentious list of security guarantees it says it wants the west to agree to in order to lower tensions in Europe and defuse the crisis over Ukraine, including many elements that have already been ruled out.

The demands include a ban on Ukraine entering Nato and a limit to the deployment of troops and weapons to Nato’s eastern flank, in effect returning Nato forces to where they were stationed in 1997, before an eastward expansion.

The demands, spelled out by Moscow in full for the first time, were handed over to the US this week. They include a demand that Nato remove any troops or weapons deployed to countries that entered the alliance after 1997, which would include much of eastern Europe, including Poland, the former Soviet countries of Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, and the Balkan countries.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/17/russia-issues-list-demands-tensions-europe-ukraine-nato

10 posted on 08/14/2023 6:12:23 AM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: PGR88

> What exactly is Putin’s “ideology” that is such a threat
> to the West?
> Nationalism?
> Anti-globalist LGBTQ politics?
> The promotion of traditional Russian culture?
> Russian economic self-interest?
> Protection of Russian Borders?
> Christianity?

All of the above.


11 posted on 08/14/2023 6:13:18 AM PDT by Westbrook (The Democrats are wizards at two things: Finding votes and losing evidence.)
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To: PGR88

“What exactly is Putin’s “ideology” that is such a threat to the West?”

Oh, he’s a threat to the west because of the problems he can create. But there are real and also perceived ones. And you are presenting some real facts in your entry. But it’s the perceived ones that are the most dangerous. And our chicken little government is running for cover screaming about the sky.

The Russian way of life has been ostracized by the US since long before Putin. The Russians are a foil, not a country trying to survive in what they believe.

An example is the last two major elections have been riddled with blaming Russia on interfering. The US did the same thing to them only our actions were righteous. And it’s all Putin’s fault. And even the foil is fictitious.

It is all in an effort to cover the antics of China whose way of life is now forced to bleed the countries of the world to survive. And our government is helping them do it to us. So Russia is the curtain over that. And anything they do is going to be microscoped into wrongs that are so immense they can be used to cover the Chinese efforts. And the US government is playing the voters to not see it. If one looks, it’s obvious. But the one is not supposed to look...just be told.

wy69


17 posted on 08/14/2023 6:25:37 AM PDT by whitney69
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To: PGR88

Nailed it. That’s the question that repels neocons like kryptonite. I think the Putinphobia is just envy because deep down we know we’re never going back to an America where a majority embrace traditional values and where government represents people. We are in a woke death spiral and Russia isn’t. The vast majority of Russians are immune to the west’s woke mind viruses that are corrupting every institution here. Yes that stings.


20 posted on 08/14/2023 6:58:08 AM PDT by Antioch (Against stupidity even the Gods struggle in vain….)
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To: PGR88

(Sigh)

His ideology is not conservatism or patriotism, it’s political revanchism + chauvinism.

Revanchism is about seeking revenge for an imagined humiliation. It’s delusional, in Putin’s case. It’s his malfunction not ours that he can’t distinguish between the USSR being broken up in 1991 (by its own membership) and the Russian Federation which wasn’t smashed up in 1991.

Hitler in the 30s was quite revanchist, in the sense that he blamed the Jews and others for the humiliation of the Versailles settlement. Germany was crippled by the punishment. And he sought revenge.

The same excuse doesn’t fly for Russia. It went into massive decline after the collapse of the USSR because corrupt ex FSB/KGB officials and oligarchs were all robbing their own country. Ukraine and Belarus also got held back by the FSB crooks and the oligarchs.

Everywhere else that wasn’t balls deep in Soviet era gangsterism grew up and got better.

Putin actually got elected on an anti corruption ticket, and yet he’s just another klepto KGB throwback who’s looted and imprisoned anti corruption rivals.

How does he get away with such blatant hypocrisy? Easy. Revanchism. It’s not HIS fault that 20% of Russian Federation families don’t even have indoor toilets let alone luxuries like washing machines, their roads haven’t been resurfaced since Stalin died and now look like they’re in warzones because their potholes are craters...

No, it’s the fault of the West.

Just ignore all those other countries with Slavic populations that aren’t Mafia states, where the rich have 21st century amenities and the poorest families at least have amenities on a par with America in the 70s. Some rural towns in Ukraine had better living standards in 2013 than big Russian towns an hour away from Moscow.

The only thing holding Ukraine back from catching up with Hungary and Poland was Russia refusing to let go.

And that’s where the chauvinism comes in. Putin just can’t abide the idea that any country that used to have to put up with Stalin’s sociopathic nonsense inside the USSR, has a legitimate right to not tolerate Russian bullshit OUTSIDE of the USSR. Knowing he can’t rehabilitate Stalin in the Warsaw Pact’s or Ukraine’s eyes any more than Germany could rehabilitate Hitler, Putin goes back a few decades more to talk about Peter the Great...

The guy who had his own son tortured and killed.

Have you read “On unity”? It’s on the Kremlin website. How about “What to do with Ukraine”, a Russian editorial invoking Putin’s dream? How about Dugin’s philosophical works?

If you’ve read any of that stuff you don’t need to read any western press.

Putin’s philosophy is there for anyone who wants to read it. It’s about as benign as Mrin Kampf.


23 posted on 08/14/2023 7:08:17 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: PGR88

Instead of ending the joint space program, what if both countries found other programs in which they could work together.

When the USSR was dissolved, I believe both sides had that in mind. The reason it hasn’t happened was not Russia’s fault alone. Read the following archives:

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early


31 posted on 08/14/2023 8:07:29 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: PGR88

“What exactly is Putin’s “ideology” that is such a threat to the West?”

Threatening the West, mostly. You know, like the daily threats of nuclear war that puke has issued over the past eighteen months and that people like yourself have breathlessly amplified?


32 posted on 08/14/2023 8:38:51 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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