Posted on 08/12/2023 2:33:16 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
“Crimean Kerch Bridge Attacked AGAIN! Ukraine has bridgehead over Dnipro!”
This won’t change the fact that Ukraine remains under equipped in every way, and NATO doesn’t have anymore to give it. So to ‘make what I will of it’, I picture a bridge and people on both sides fighting and dying for no reason because it won’t change the outcome of the war.
Is good soviet bridge. Never mind the holes.
You DON’T need the acid. Go into rehab. Try that Intellectual Curiosity stuff. It’s da bomb, if you can take it.
And here’s another link.
Surovikin joined Zelensky! Putin’s loyal troops now fight for Ukraine! Kremlin is falling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtkwqNaUjkY
I just found that one while looking for this baby.
Why the Ukrainian counter-offensive can still succeed I Ukraine the Latest | Podcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RLyZ4LxXOo
“… Where are the on-the-ground reporters?
This is why nobody with any sense believes any of the propaganda being spewed forth from either side.”
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Patrick Lancaster reports from the ground actual events that he sees with his own eyes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpKRnWG4D-Q
Thanks for the FReepsplain, but I learned that as a teenager when we were stationed in the DC area and my parents told me that about how to discern what the WaPo was spewing.
I also spent several years in a war zone and watched the media twist, distort and outright lie sometimes about what was really happening. On one mission, I lived and worked very close to the Palestine Hotel near Firdos Sqare on the banks of the Tigris in Baghdad, where a majority of the U.S. media was posted. I was on that gig for a year.
DHL’s offices were in the lobby of that hotel and as the Procurement Manager on the CIVPOL Program, I had to occasionally walk over there to sign an update to our contract or work out a wrinkle.
One mid-morning, one of my employees, a couple of security guys and I approached the Palestine Hotel and all of the reporters were lined up outside the front door with their cameramen lined up across from them. They were all neatly spaced about 5 or 6 feet apart. There were CNN, Fox, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC and a couple of others. It was coming up on prime evening news time in the U.S., so we knew they were setting up for their live feeds. This was in ‘06 when things were still pretty crazy.
Being the smartass that I can be, I said, “What’s with all the press? Is something going on?” and was pleased to elicit a few chuckles from the newsies.
So I learned that day why the same blue mosque was always behind the reporters regardless of the network and why you could sometimes hear faint voices in the background of the reports.
I watched the news on AFN pretty much daily and was often disgusted at some of the spin they put on the actual events. Some were worse than others, of course.
So, I do have some knowledge on the subjects of news reporting vs reality and this is why I don’t trust the reports from the Ukrainian or the Russian side here. If the guys on the ground in Baghdad were spinning the daylights out of things, I imagine it’s only worse with people reporting from far-flung regions.
Thanks for the link. I’ve seen a couple of his podcasts. That one you linked was interesting with them showing how they set up and launch the kamikaze drones. “Now we are going to work and leave quickly.” Yeesh - war sucks.
But the stuff posted by the more prolific FR propagandists aren’t from the ground at all. As World Traveler points out, these are people sitting in Switzerland, Taiwan, the U.S., etc. and I can’t see a lot of credibility in that.
But what’s your purpose here? The Western media, even Poland, admits it’s over.
I just cannot figure out what you hope to accomplish by polluting this site with this garbage.
Maybe some day you guys will come clean, but somehow I doubt it. We’ll just have to hear the same kind of garbage when the Neocons AGAIN get spanked, in their next ‘project’ (unless JR finally puts an end to it).
Let me get this straight.
-Russia controls 20% of Uke territory and has since 2/22
-The Uke so-called "mother of all counter-offensives" that we have heard about for a year has been a great big, huge FLOP
-The Ruskies have gone toe-to-toe with the best the US & NATO has to offer (200 billion worth!) and are winning
-Uke citizens are leaving that hell-hole by the millions and not coming back, resulting in a massive decline in population
-Zelensky is firing his "conscription thugs" and refusing to allow males to leave the country while at the same time capturing kids off the street to send to the slaughter to join the other 300,000 Uke soldiers killed
-Zelensky promised they would March to the Azov Sea and capture Crimea in a week
(The above is a shortlist.)
And you expect us to believe that a pot-hole in some bridge is a monumental, earth-shattering event?
Okay.
Get back on your meds!
Puttin’s puppets here are already celebrating the reestablishment of the USSR.
Unrelated, to the topic, but mannnn the dude in the video is one ugly mofo. He’s better off doing radio.
—> Puttin’s puppets here are already celebrating the reestablishment of the USSR.
Please link those posts.
I think you made that up yourself.
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-Jim Robinson
Except that’s not what happened, and this “friend” is no friend at all to anyone.
Ask yourself, if the “revolutionaries” were so bad, why did this “friend” not intervene when their man, Poroshenko, was the President. He was a bad dude. Instead, he invades when he’s voted out of office, this “friend” “intervenes” against his duly elected successor, who is busy negotiating for peace in the East. With “friends” like that, who needs enemas.
Later we can analyze the actual circumstances of the Maidan uprising, which you seem to assume was just something that a western photographer decided to instigate because she was bored.
Your bogus assertions require too much time to respond to. Later. I have a life.
Sure! Let’s talk about unconstitutional revolutions that overthrow the will of lawful voters.
In 2013, there were two elections, the first, purporting to elect Yanukovich, was found to be fraudulent and set aside. The second, he campaigned on a specific promise to conclude a comprehensive trade deal with the EU and bring Ukraine closer to the EU. Instead, he took the fully-drafted EU trade agreement, publicly discarded it, and instead signed a fully drafted trade agreement with Russia. Note about Russia: 300 years of oppression, 3.9 million Ukrainian peasants starved to death, promised independence of Ukraine reneged on by Lenin.
Demonstrators assembled in Maidan Square beginning on November 21, 2013, and were brutally attacked by federal “Berkut” police on or about November 30, 2013. Demonstrators assembled in greater numbers, clashes with police escalated, and included sniper fire on the crowd, the use of a tank, shutting demonstrator organizers into a building where they had assembled for a meeting, and setting fire to it. Note on shutting assemblies up in building and setting fire to it: the same tactic was used in March or April of 2013 in Mariupol against a union meeting, apparently because they held the meeting in Russian. That act of arson and mass murder was carried out by Yanukovich’s federal police. It seemed to have been a tactic which he favored, wherever there were assemblies behind closed doors of which he disapproved. Other organizers were arrested and marched naked through the streets. Police had a free reign to beat, kill and maim.
Understandably, after all these repressive acts by the government, with the open acquiescence of the legislature by a show of hands, the demonstrators turned into revolutionaries, and the violence escalated as the unrest increased. On February 22, 2014, Yanukovich resigned and fled in the night to Moscow via helicopter.
“Sure! Let’s talk about unconstitutional revolutions that overthrow the will of lawful voters.”
You mean, the American, French, Israeli, Indian and Russian revolutions were by royal leave? Any revolution is unconstitutional. There’s this thing called the Social Contract. Maybe you’ve heard of it? Yanukovich violated the rights of Ukrainian citizens. The violations were so brutal and over-the-top that he set off a revolution, at the root of which was understandable Ukrainian aversion to closer ties with Russia, and desire for closer ties with Europe.
It was not Putin’s affair then, though his interference was what led to it, and his meddling in the affairs of Eastern Ukraine was what precipitated eight years of civil war. If Eastern Ukrainians had a beef which Putin purported to champion, it was with Poroshenko, who participated mightily in the Maidan uprising, and escalated the already brewing troubles in Eastern Ukraine. Fine.
But Poroshenko was voted out, and the duly elected President of Ukraine is now Volodomir Zelensky, who attempted, albeit inexpertly, to make peace in Eastern Ukraine, and Putin’s response to that was to invade as soon as he was sure that America would just write him a sternly-worded letter, now that Trump was out of the way and Biden showed how weak he was in Afghanistan.
But you know what makes me sick. I can explain all this at length, and waste a good deal of time doing it, and the next time the subject of Ukraine comes up, you or some other Putinista will make the same phony arguments again. The object is to discourage people from posting news about Ukraine or unfavorable to Putin. As deTocqueville (?) put it, you meant to “fatigue men into submission”.
But consider, standing up for supposed “oppressed minorities” is already a time-worn trick of dictators. Hitler did it in the Sudetenland. The Arab nations are doing it in Israel ‘til this day. Putin did it before in Georgia, and even faked a separatist movement in Crimea and later bragged about it. Well, the Kirsch Bridge is getting increasingly rickety, along with Russia’s hold on Crimea.
Eleutheria, that was an excellent and detailed takedown of jan fake argument
You’re right. It is an excellent analysis. It will not influence Jan but it will influence some of the real News Hounds that very seldom if never write anything. Many have a nose for the truth concerning Russia’s brutal invasion.
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