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Why the Ohio Special Election Backfired for the GOP
The Bulwark ^ | 8/10/2023 | Daniel McGraw

Posted on 08/10/2023 9:24:13 AM PDT by Miami Rebel

“AS I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS VOTE more and more, what they were trying to do and the way they were trying to do it was just kind of creepy.”

(Excerpt) Read more at plus.thebulwark.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: abortion; gop; ohio
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To: Miami Rebel

For full context and posterit, we used to post entire articles.

Until deep state went after FR via law fare law suits claiming copyright violations.

That’s why most articles are only excerpted now.

But if a source has no problem with posting the entire article the whole thing can be posted.


21 posted on 08/10/2023 10:04:16 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: ifinnegan

Thanks for the background, but it seems to me if I don’t have an idea of what the source’s copyright policy is then it makes sense just to post the excerpt.


22 posted on 08/10/2023 10:09:53 AM PDT by Miami Rebel
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To: Moe-Patrick

After Trump is gone, Ohio will return to a swing state…..my prediction based on the stats.

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Trump was popular in Ohio because he campaigned on (and to some degree delivered on) trade agreement reform. Getting better trade deals and protecting (or getting back) jobs.

This is the reason why, in the same state that Trump can win rather well, Sharrod Brown (D) wins. I don’t recall hearing much from him lately, but early on Brown portrayed himself as a working class hero. It played well to the middle class, trades-person, union/blue collar ethos.


23 posted on 08/10/2023 10:09:56 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: Miami Rebel

You didn’t post an excerpt. You posted one line.

It makes it seem dodgy.


24 posted on 08/10/2023 10:10:55 AM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Moe-Patrick
Both sides received the same amount 14-15 million.

Where do you see this?

The source I found showed a three to one advantage. It could be wrong, but I would like to see the source showing roughly equal amounts of money.

25 posted on 08/10/2023 10:13:15 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Moe-Patrick; All
Here is the source showing a three to one spending advantage for the Leftists.
26 posted on 08/10/2023 10:15:39 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Miami Rebel
It failed because Ohio uses Dominion voting machines.

Republicans will keep losing until they get rid of Dominion machines.


27 posted on 08/10/2023 10:20:42 AM PDT by yesthatjallen
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To: gibsonguy
The real danger here, is now democrats have figured out a way to bypass and nullify GOP-majority statehouses using states' fast-and-loose constitution amendment requirements. They are doing the exact thing here in Missouri using abortion as the wedge. It already succeeded with marijuana..

The big cities with their larger populations will have an even bigger advantage over the rest of the state.

28 posted on 08/10/2023 10:20:55 AM PDT by thescourged1
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To: gibsonguy
We need to face the reality that women, including GOP women, are going to single issue the rats into total control if we don’t get smart.

Abortion strongly appears to be a political "third rail", even among supposedly conservative women.

We can successfully restrict 3rd trimester abortions.

Attempting to go further will create strong political opposition that will sweep Democrats into office.

We thought that overturning Roe was a great victory. It was not. It makes abortion an issue in every state and local election.

29 posted on 08/10/2023 10:23:49 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (We live in a time where intelligent people are being silenced so stupid people won’t be offended)
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To: marktwain

“Leftist groups spent 14.8 million. Pro-Yes votes spent 4.8 million. Not that hard to predict huge turnout and defeat with a three to one spending margin.”

Large turnout (through cheating). Not that we can believe any vote totals (I am sure another massive vote by mail ballot harvest). Not only that but the money likely came from out of state and an army of donor mules and phantom voters.

I am sure Planned Parenthood pays of both Dem and RINOs for the results they want. Elections numbers in this country can never be trusted. Voters will never have the power of the vote, those in power will never surrender that power. Why do you think they are going after Trump so hard?

They (both sides leaders) want to destroy any chance of free and fair elections.


30 posted on 08/10/2023 10:24:04 AM PDT by BushCountry (A properly cast vote (1 day voting) can save you $3.00 a gallon.)
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To: thescourged1
The real danger here, is now democrats have figured out a way to bypass and nullify GOP-majority statehouses using states' fast-and-loose constitution amendment requirements.

Exactly. The loophole has been exposed and we just failed to close it. If you don’t like what your legislators are doing, spend some cash, run some ads, and suddenly make it “unconstitutional”.
31 posted on 08/10/2023 10:29:59 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: PapaBear3625

Overturning The R v W decision has proven to be a disaster for the country and l think it gets worse. The rats are going to get a ballot initiative in every swing state in November, they will time it to get a state takeover. I honestly cannot think of a way to beat this. In short, the women vote is going to finally ruin us.


32 posted on 08/10/2023 10:33:23 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: PapaBear3625

It is a great victory for the Constitution. It puts the issue back where it belongs at the state level. The GOP at the state level will have to figure out how to live with and craft the issue. It will likely be different for different states.


33 posted on 08/10/2023 10:35:23 AM PDT by Reily (!!)
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To: mmichaels1970; thescourged1

That depends on the state. In Texas, it’s required to get a 2/3’rds vote in both houses of the legislature to propose a constitutional amendment that then goes to the voters for ratification. We don’t have an initiative and referendum process.


34 posted on 08/10/2023 10:39:36 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Moe-Patrick

Good post


35 posted on 08/10/2023 10:40:51 AM PDT by Reddy (BO stinks)
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To: OftheOhio

“The proposed requirements of 88 counties along with Issue 1′s proposal to eliminate the 10-day cure period that allows citizen petitioners to collect more signatures if the signature verification process sees the campaign fall below county or state quotas.

60% or whatever, the rino scum fully intended to allow the petitioners to go through a great deal of effort and then deny them in the end.“

Yeah, this was BS


36 posted on 08/10/2023 10:42:36 AM PDT by Reddy (BO stinks)
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To: Miami Rebel

Let’s face it. The majority of women (or people with vaginas) love abortion.

There is no need need for condoms or the pill. Abortion has taken the place of contraceptives.

In the same way that the sanctity of marriage has been destroyed (by feminist and homosexuals), the blessing of child-birth has also been destroyed.

Society has devolved into a primal, primitive state of perpetual decadence and Hedonism.


37 posted on 08/10/2023 11:06:06 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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To: gibsonguy
About 60 years ago a sexual revolution swept across the country, first in the colleges and then filtering down to the high schools. It was a function of the Baby Boomers all reaching puberty at the same time. By the late 1960s, American sexual behavior was similar to France or Sweden.

The battle over abortion started in the states where legislatures, fearing the power of the churches, handed the issue over to the people via referenda. The voters spoke, and abortion restrictions fell in state after state via the initiative and referendum mechanisms.

The battle royale was New York where it had to be fought in the legislature. That was a knock-down drag-out brawl that played out at family dinner tables. The legislature loosened restrictions, and Gov. Rockefeller signed it into law. Abortion opponents threatened consequences at the next election but only showed how weak they were when nothing happened.

The Supreme Court should have stayed out of it by refusing to take the case and punting it back to the Texas courts. But having created a national right to abortion, two generations of women came to believe they possessed that right. They were happy to have that backstop for their sexual freedom, and men were happy to have that eraser handy for the same reason. Having experienced sexual freedom, people are loathe to give it up, so you need to have a good reason to take away what people perceive as their inalienable rights.

Most arguments against abortion are based on strong religious belief. Catholics used to be the largest faith in America, but now Unbelief has replaced them as Number One. For many, God the Hairy Thunderer has been replaced by God the Cosmic Muffin. It’s hard to make a religious argument when so many have put religion aside for a secular or somewhat “spiritual” approach.

To end abortion, you need to convince people to end sexual freedom and get them to behave like they did prior to the Sixties. That’s a hard sell. Once the cat is out of the bag, it’s difficult to get it to go back in.

38 posted on 08/10/2023 11:07:46 AM PDT by Publius
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To: gibsonguy
I posted here which states are using the referendum to get a law passed. It's kind of like the Trojan Horse.
39 posted on 08/10/2023 11:09:08 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Publius

You also have a lot of Conservatives who are tired of paying for welfare babies, the kind that people don’t want to adopt.

I know a lot of them. They’re ok with restrictions on abortion, but never a total ban.


40 posted on 08/10/2023 11:09:29 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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