[woodpusher]

Lincoln's speech, often quoted by woodpusher and others, refers to Americans in Texas declaring independence from Mexico....

Why the need to lie, Brother Joe?

Lincoln's speech expressly referred to all or any people. As I quoted Lincoln in the post in your response is a blatant lie:

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable—a most sacred right—a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so much of their territory as they inhabit.

You must be really desperate to lie that the above statement of Lincoln only referred to Texas. It expressly refers to "any people anywhere," and Lincoln's remarks were universal in application, "to liberate the world." But that is what communists do. It's Pravda truth.

[BroJoeK]

woodpusher: "Why the need to lie, Brother Joe?
Lincoln's speech expressly referred to all or any people.
As I quoted Lincoln in the post in your response is a blatant lie:"

I'll refrain from calling your words here a lie, but the fact remains that young Congressman Lincoln's 1848 speech was devoted entirely to the Democrat Pres. Polk's war against Mexico.
He was generalizing about the specific example of Texans having declared independence from Mexico.

woodpusher: "You must be really desperate to lie that the above statement of Lincoln only referred to Texas.
It expressly refers to "any people anywhere," and Lincoln's remarks were universal in application, "to liberate the world."
But that is what communists do.
It's Pravda truth."

You're right, of course, in that Lincoln did speak generally in these few sentences, in a lengthy speech devoted to lambasting Democrat President Polk for his war against Mexico.
But the specific issue Lincoln referred to here was the land between the Nueces River and the Rio Grande River, where the war began, and which Polk had declared belonged to the USA.
Congressman Lincoln questioned how that could be if there were no people living in the borderland between the Nueces and Rio Grande, or if a majority did not accept US citizenship?

Expanding Lincoln's words beyond that relatively small stretch of land between the Nueces and Rio Grande is, I think, ... a stretch, but I will not call you a liar for doing so, simply point out that Congressman Lincoln in 1848 was focused on Texans & Mexicans, not US citizens who might want to declare secession over a "Tariff of Abominations" or Fugitive Slave laws.

Finally, it is most fascinating to notice how young Whig Congressman Lincoln ended this 1848 speech, by attacking Democrat Pres. Polk in words that are 100% prescient of our times today:

"...As I have before said, he [Pres. Polk] knows not where he is.
He is a bewildered, confounded, and miserably perplexed man.
God grant he may be able to show, there is not something about his conscience, more painful than all his mental perplexity!"

The 1846 Mexican War began in the disputed region between the Nueces and Rio Grande rivers.
Congressman's 1848 speech, including the often quoted sentences about "being inclined" and "having the power", refers specifically to people living in that region: