“The treasonous bastard was directly responsible for the deaths of some 600,000 Americans.”
Funny how well that description can be applied to Lincoln.
The Confederacy wanted independence. The same thing that their fathers and grandfathers gained from King George.
The King issued a proclamation declaring all of the Colonial rebels to be traitors and rebels. Which they were
Lincoln, like George before him, wanted submission and obedience to the central government and was willing to kill as many Americans as it required to get that.
Most people can read a map. Where the battlefields are tells you who was defending their land versus who was the aggressor.
Crickets
Lincoln didn't undertake secession, the South did. Lincoln didn't open fire on Ft. Sumter(and don't give that hogwash about the resupply boats being warships),the South did. The South wanted war. Confederate guerrillas had started as much with their "Bleeding Kansas"" campaign.
Pelham: "Funny how well that description can be applied to Lincoln."
The Confederacy wanted independence.
The same thing that their fathers and grandfathers gained from King George."
Setting RE Lee aside for the moment, here is a table comparing conditions in the 1776 era Revolution with those of 1860s Civil War:
Comparing 1776 era to 1860s
Condition to Compare | 1776 Revolutionary War | 1861 Civil War |
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The rebelling party had voluntarily ratified the national constitution | No | Yes |
The rebelling party was fully represented in the national government: | No | Yes |
The rebelling party had previously dominated national politics for over 60 years: | No | Yes |
The rebelling party had repeatedly petitioned for redress of grievances: | Yes | No |
War was declared and waged against the rebelling party long before it delcared its independence. | Yes | No |
The rebelling party made clear the necessity of separation due to abuses, usurpations and war waged against them: | Yes | No |
The rebelling party declared independence based on "all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights": | Yes | No |
Condition to Compare | 1776 Revolutionary War | 1861 Civil War |
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The rebelling party made clear in their documents of separation that their main concern was protecting chattel slavery of the African race: | No | Yes |
The rebelling party was overrepresented in its constitutional republic due to the 3/5 of slaves rule: | No | Yes |
Spokesmen for the rebelling party declared slavery was the "cornerstone" of their new republic: | No | Yes |
The rebelling party declared tariffs were the "real reason" for disunion: | No | No |
The rebelling party declared "Northeastern power brokers" and "money flows from Europe" and "free trade" were the "real reasons" for disunion & war: | No | No |
The rebelling party waited over a year after being declared in rebellion before declaring themselves independent. | Yes | No |
The war began when the Empire (or Union) tried to seize American militia weapons: | Yes | No |
The war began when Rebels assaulted & forced surrender of Union forces in a Union fort: | No | Yes |
The Empire (or Union) issued a formal "Declaration of Rebellion" a year before rebels declared independence: | Yes | No |
The rebelling party issued a formal "Declaration of War" and granted their leader dictatorial war powers: | No | Yes |
The rebelling party invaded the Empire (or Union's) homeland with large forces many times: | No | Yes |
The Empire (or Union) offered rebel slaves freedom in exchange for military service (1775 Dunmore): | Yes | No |
Rebels soon responded by also promising slaves freedom in exchange for military service: | Yes | No |
The Empire (or Union) granted slaves unconditional freedom in states then in rebellion (1779 Phillipsburg): | Yes | Yes |
The Empire (or Union) opposed slavery on moral grounds: | No | Yes |
During & after the war rebels began to abolish slavery voluntarily: | Yes | No |
Pelham: "Lincoln, like George before him, wanted submission and obedience to the central government and was willing to kill as many Americans as it required to get that.
Most people can read a map. Where the battlefields are tells you who was defending their land versus who was the aggressor."
In the Civil War's first year there were as many battles fought in Union states & territories as in the Confederacy, and as many Confederate soldiers died in battles in the Union as died in battles in the Confederacy.
Union states & territories which Confederate forces invaded included: