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To: woodpusher; x; ProgressingAmerica; Renfrew; wardaddy; Pelham; DiogenesLamp; central_va
woodpusher: "The gentle reader may believe an internet idiot or a unanimous United States Supreme Court.
Whatever Britain and Canada have to do with a successful revolution by Vermont in 1777 is a mystery.
Vermont was recognized as an independent state with self-appointed borders.
It did not join the Union under the procedures for a territory.
Vermont had a State constitution in 1777.
It joined the Union in 1791 as an independent state."

The facts remain as I stated -- no foreign country ever formally recognized Vermont as an independent country, or signed a treaty with Vermont or exchanged ambassadors.
So Vermont was even more of a fake country than the Confederacy.

woodpusher: "In addition, he found that Vermont was not recognized as an independent state by Congress either under the Articles of Confederation or under the Constitution, but that her independence was recognized by New Hampshire in 1777, by Massachusetts in 1781, and by New York in 1790."

So the facts remain as I stated -- no foreign country ever formally recognized Vermont as an independent country, or signed a treaty with Vermont or exchanged ambassadors.
Vermont was even more of a fake country than the Confederacy.

"Recognition" by other US states simply made admission possible, of Vermont as a US state, a Northern free-state to balance out Kentucky's admission as a slave-state.

woodpusher: "On April 17, 1782, a committee of Congress to which the matter had been submitted reported that the Congressional resolutions of the 20th and 21st of August had been fully complied with, and recommended that the territory of Vermont as defined in these resolutions be recognized and admitted to the Union, as a free and independent state."

And yet, that's not what happened in 1791, when the question was left, at best, ambiguous.
Note the fact that none of these quotes refer to a "Republic of Vermont", and neither the US nor any other government ever formally recognized Vermont as an independent country.

And just so we're clear on this point -- to my understanding, The Republic of Texas was indeed formally recognized as an independent country, with treaties and ambassadors exchanged, though I cannot cite details without looking them up.

My understanding is that, unlike Vermont or the Confederacy, Texas was not a fake country.


133 posted on 08/15/2023 7:09:55 AM PDT by BroJoeK (future DDG 134 -- we remember)
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To: BroJoeK; ProgressingAmerica; Renfrew; wardaddy; Pelham; DiogenesLamp; central_va
So Vermont was even more of a fake country than the Confederacy.

One can believe your buillcrap or the linked, cited, and quoted unanimous Opinion of the United States Supreme Court in Vermont v. New Hampshire, 289 U.S. 593 (1933). They clearly opined that Vermont was admitted as a free, sovereign, and independent state with self-appointed borders.

A territory is admitted as a territory because it is not yet a state. It becomes a state upon admission. The enabling act will call it a territory, for example Nevada.

Enabling Act for Nevada—March 21, 1864. (13 Stat. 30)

An Act to enable the People of Nevada to form a Constitution and State Government,

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the inhabitants of that portion of the Territory of Nevada...."

An Act for the admission of the State of Vermont into this Union. (1 Stat. 191)

The State of Vermont having petitioned the Congress to be admitted a member of the United States,

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, that on the fourth day of March, one thousand seven hundred and ninety-one, the said State, by the name and style of "the State of Vermont," shall be received and admitted into this Union, as a new and entire member of the United States of America.

Approved: February 18, 1791.

The Act for Nevada takes up three pages setting the conditions for being recognized as a state. The text of the Act for Vermont takes up five lines because they were already a State, and had a Stat constitution and government since 1777. The coined their own money ad had their own postal service.

Do your fellow inmates also have the authority to strike down Supreme Court opinions, or are you the only one?

Do your brainfarts congressionally enacted laws?


144 posted on 08/16/2023 12:14:21 AM PDT by woodpusher
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