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New Study: Most Electric Vehicles Cost More to Charge Than Filling Up a Car with GasNew Study: Most Electric Vehicles Cost More to Charge Than Filling Up a Car with Gas
The Federalist Papaers ^ | 8/2/23 | Peter Partoll

Posted on 08/04/2023 6:15:06 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

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To: Blood of Tyrants

I would be interested in reading the actual study quoted in this article. I would like to know who conducted the study, who funded it and a lot of other details. Unfortunately, there doesn’t appear to be a reference or link that I can follow. If anyone can find the link please post it.


41 posted on 08/04/2023 6:57:38 AM PDT by POWG
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To: ConservativeInPA

“I have no problem with EVs”

I actually do. They pollute the planet for the mining to make their batteries and they going to drive up electricity costs for everyone.


42 posted on 08/04/2023 6:57:45 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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To: Terry L Smith

They wont get that complicated, they will just turn it off


43 posted on 08/04/2023 6:58:12 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: POWG
I would be interested in reading the actual study quoted in this article.

Some Cars Cheaper to Fuel with Gas Than Electric in 2023

44 posted on 08/04/2023 7:00:00 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (My boss wants me to sign up for a 401K. No way I'm running that far! )
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Are local govts still putting in free chargers at places like the front parking spaces at the county library?


45 posted on 08/04/2023 7:01:00 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: quantim

My question is what is it going to do toe electricity rates. I might not own an EV but will I be paying more for heating, air conditioning, and just living because electricity rates will be going up?


46 posted on 08/04/2023 7:01:44 AM PDT by TN4Trump
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To: POWG
The methodology and data sources are described in Real World Costs of Fueling EVs and ICE Vehicles, Second Edition, Anderson Economic Group, 2022.
47 posted on 08/04/2023 7:01:53 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (My boss wants me to sign up for a 401K. No way I'm running that far! )
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To: CodeJockey

Indeed.
I also had to charge it at home (dunno how much that added to my electricity bill) and that meant running an extension cord across my front lawn (temporary setup since it wasn’t my car). And someone unplugged it overnight, making it moot.


48 posted on 08/04/2023 7:02:44 AM PDT by gymbeau (I refuse to be anonymous. I am THEnonymous.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

And now, states are realizing the loss in revenue from taxes on fuel so they’re looking at adding an “EV Tax” to these things. They’re just gonna end up not all that economically attractive when all is said and done.
But no exhaust they say. LOL.... The stack at the power station is their exhaust pipe. Environmentally friendly, they say: yeah, vast open pit mining operations are always “environmentally friendly”, especially in foreign lands using practically slave labor.
Liberalism is a chronic, no-cure, debilitating mental disease.
Let the free market do its job, instead of having a corrupt, moronic govt trying to force this BS down the consumers’ throats.


49 posted on 08/04/2023 7:03:41 AM PDT by lgjhn23 ("On the 8th day, Satan created the progressive liberal to destroy all the good that God created...")
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To: gymbeau

How many people can afford a virtue-signaling, single-purpose, hobby car to be used exclusively for commuting and short around-town trips? Most sane people want a dual-purpose car that can do that daily commuting and local-store grind, PLUS can be used for weekend jaunts or long-haul trips one to four times a year.


50 posted on 08/04/2023 7:07:59 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (We are proles, they are nobility.)
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To: dangus

What are your add on rates, tariffs, and taxes?

EC


51 posted on 08/04/2023 7:08:38 AM PDT by Ex-Con777
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To: TN4Trump

Yes, welcome to socialism being all about control and redistribution. There is also a myriad of other secondary problems - for example these battery fires everywhere that burn down everything from a garage to an international cargo ship. Lots of people will die if it really gets going, plus other things like DIY’s overloading circuits, theft of vehicles (like catalytic converters have become) and third world poisoning of people to say the least. And oh the climate nonsense is a scam so the leftists will be even more evil in a short time, and that is just the beginning. Think about the wars between the windmill greenies (subsidies) and the pro-EV folks coming to a town near you, it’s going to be quite a riot.


52 posted on 08/04/2023 7:16:39 AM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute. )
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To: bray

Battery replacements are around $20,000. Makes the car worthless

About what I paid for my last car in 2021 and it will last for 10 to 15 years before I replace it (based on how long I kept previous new cars).


53 posted on 08/04/2023 7:20:03 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Did the study adjust cost for the fact that gasoline is taxed to maintain the roads while the power charging electric cars has no equivalent tax?


54 posted on 08/04/2023 7:20:54 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: Mr.Unique

Thank you for the link.


55 posted on 08/04/2023 7:22:02 AM PDT by POWG
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To: Dandy

“more to charge publically”

I don’t own an EV so don’t know the ins and outs of the racket, but my guess is that the public charging station is a commercial device and hence the business that owns that device charges you a mark up over their expense for electricity from the utility.

One thing I do know about electric utilities is that commercial electric rates billed are significantly higher than the residential rates so that may have something to do with it too.


56 posted on 08/04/2023 7:32:07 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: Dandy

The fuel pricing doesn’t make sence. How can it cost 50% more to charge publically on some cars and 10% more on the others. The price of electricty will be the same no matter what car you are charging. This is a bogus article.


No but it does require thinking. NOt all things are simple.

There is variation in the vehicles, charging stations, charging times. etc.

Just like an average, 50% are above and 50% below with a wide variation. The cost of an ev or gas car is personal. It depends on a lot of things. My most expensive vehicle in cost per mile used to be my motorcycle.

https://www.enelxway.com/us/en/resources/blog/the-ultimate-guide-to-electric-vehicle-public-charging-pricing


57 posted on 08/04/2023 7:36:29 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“The final cost”

Funny, off topic, repair story for you-

Decades ago my Dad had a Saturn. One day the battery light came on and figured it was the alternator.

He often did work on cars himself but it was under warranty still so took it to the dealer.

They quickly confirmed it was the alternator so he left figuring he’d pick it up the next day (my Mom followed him up there).

Well, days go by and he hears nothing but wasn’t worried because we had several vehicles. He gets it after a week.

Turns out, the mechanic screwed up big time - Saturn had aluminum blocks (I don’t know if both top and bottom) and the brackets were molded as part of the block.

Well, you guessed it, the mechanic over-tightened the bolt and broke the bracket. Big oops!

The funny part was the service invoice (no charge due to warranty) that said:

Problem - Battery light comes on.
Solution - Replace engine.


58 posted on 08/04/2023 7:41:51 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: POWG

Sure.

I noticed that the article changed “some” to “most” in the title.

That’s poor journalism.


59 posted on 08/04/2023 7:55:21 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (My boss wants me to sign up for a 401K. No way I'm running that far! )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“ How many people can afford a virtue-signaling, single-purpose, hobby car to be used exclusively for commuting and short around-town trips? “

Six, I think. Lol!


60 posted on 08/04/2023 8:10:35 AM PDT by gymbeau (I refuse to be anonymous. I am THEnonymous.)
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