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What do we know about Pelosi Epps phone calls leading up to Jan 6 ?
self ^ | 8/3/2023 | chiller

Posted on 08/03/2023 10:17:20 AM PDT by chiller

What do we know ?

AP fact checks it as false. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-pelosi-insurrection-foia-epps-961838772892 Snopes fact checks as false: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nancy-pelosi-ray-epps-phone-jan-6/

Neither are to trusted. Both claim FOIA does not apply to congress persons.

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.com ...


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To: chiller

” which are said to be unattainable via FOIA”

Unobtainable by FOIA does not mean unobtainable by subpoena as evidence in a court case. And once they are evidence in a court case, they become public records, which are obtainable by FOIA.


21 posted on 08/03/2023 11:30:41 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Chewbarkah

This report does smell, and perhaps it is a hoax, but I don’t trust ANY of the parties involved. Pelosi, Epps, FBI, Snopes, AP.

I’ll believe it’s a hoax when debunked by credible sources. Because it hasn’t been picked up by anyone in the past week implies it’s a hoax, BUT it’s been an incredibly newsy week and this may have escaped attention, as it has evaded my attention and other posters within.

It needs attention and examination.


22 posted on 08/03/2023 11:30:48 AM PDT by chiller (Davey Crockett said: "Be sure you're right. Then go ahead'. I'll go ahead.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Hammer-Time”


23 posted on 08/03/2023 11:32:40 AM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) My dog Sam eats purple flowers.)
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To: butlerweave

Well, someone had enough time to construct two (non-working but apparently convincing) “bombs” to plant at the DNC and RNC the night before Jan. 6.


24 posted on 08/03/2023 11:37:06 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Chewbarkah

Yeah, if Pelosi DID speak directly to Epps, then it would be evidence that Epps was NOT an intelligence or counterintelligence asset, because if he was, that wouldn’t ever have happened, for reasons of plausible deniability, compartmentalization, etc.

I suppose he could still be some amateur contracted by other amateurs, but it would weigh very very heavily against any notion that he worked for one of the 3-letter organizations.


25 posted on 08/03/2023 11:40:35 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: chiller
"Epps, an Arizona man who was filmed encouraging others to enter the U.S. Capitol the night before the riots"....

As for the claims there is "no evidence" that he is a gov't stooge......The simple fact that he has not been arrested in spite of the video evidence, IS evidence that he is a gov't stooge!!!

26 posted on 08/03/2023 12:05:40 PM PDT by G Larry (It is RACIST to impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants by importing Cheap ILLEGAL Labor!)
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To: chiller
Ray Epps is NOT immune from FOIA!

Get his records and look for Pelosi's ###!!!

27 posted on 08/03/2023 12:07:55 PM PDT by G Larry (It is RACIST to impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants by importing Cheap ILLEGAL Labor!)
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To: G Larry

If Epps is not a govt. agent or employee, then No, FOIA does not apply to him. Private people and entities must be subpoenaed for records in accordance with Discovery statutes. The way to do it is to subpoena him for all phone records from that timeframe, and also subpoena his phone service carrier for the same thing.


28 posted on 08/03/2023 12:21:26 PM PDT by jpp113
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To: Boogieman

To clarify, the fact checks claim Epps communicated with “Pelosi’s office”, which isn’t quite the same as speaking to Pelosi, but does imply some coordination.


29 posted on 08/03/2023 12:23:58 PM PDT by chiller (Davey Crockett said: "Be sure you're right. Then go ahead'. I'll go ahead.)
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To: chiller

Well, anyone could call up Pelosi’s office and get on the horn with some assistant, I suppose.

But again, if Epps was a “professional”, it doesn’t seem like something that would ever happen.


30 posted on 08/03/2023 12:30:19 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

“Anyone” and everyone has or could call her office, but Epps isn’t “anyone.”

Epps is a questionable figure in one of the greatest frauds perpetrated on America.


32 posted on 08/03/2023 12:41:30 PM PDT by chiller (Davey Crockett said: "Be sure you're right. Then go ahead'. I'll go ahead.)
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https://twitter.com/GavinClimie/status/1633038153878499333

"Freedom of Information Act requests show a dozen phone calls between
the cell phone of Ray Epps and the then Speaker of the House Nancy
Pelosi in the week leading UpTo the January 6th riots. 🤔

You all know how I feel about coincidences. 🤔 "

From Snopes:

"However, no actual evidence, in the form of FOIA documents or otherwise, has ever been put forward to support the claim that Pelosi and Epps had any kind of contact. Moreover, FOIA doesn't apply to members of Congress, so no FOIA records directly applicable to Pelosi could have been obtained under the act. The claim that such records were obtained in this instance is quite simply a lie."
The facts:
1. No one claiming there was a FOIA request showing calls between Pelosi and Epps has produced them.
2. Congress is exempt from FOIA.
3. Ray Epps is a private citizen is not subject to FOIA.

There are a lot of people on social media who push nonsense someone wants to hear. Then people go down the rabbit holes of "4D-Chess", "deepstate"," the CIA", instead of dismissing the noise for what it is.

33 posted on 08/03/2023 12:47:53 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: chiller

Certainly, but what I’m getting at is that, if we assume the allegation is true, and he did call Pelosi’s office, then what are the implications of that?

A superficial analysis might be: “hey, we got evidence of collusion!”

But a more perceptive analysis would result in: “well, Epps can’t be working for the FBI (or insert agency here) if he was dumb enough to call Pelosi’s office directly”


34 posted on 08/03/2023 12:49:18 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: chiller

FOIA does not apply to the Legislative branch.


35 posted on 08/03/2023 12:49:30 PM PDT by Fury
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To: G Larry
Ray Epps is NOT immune from FOIA!

Depends on who he called. If he called someone or was called by someone in the Legislative branch, any such records are not subject to FOIA.

36 posted on 08/03/2023 12:51:35 PM PDT by Fury
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To: chiller
"Not sure if transcripts pertain to her begging Trump for NG, either, but I do seem to remember written communications twixt Pelosi and DC Mayor in the weeks prior"

What?

Pelosi turned down the offer of 10,000 National Guard -- right in front of Mayor Muriel Ratchet -- because "They're not under my control."

37 posted on 08/03/2023 1:03:19 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (Tanned, rested, and ready.)
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To: chiller

This maybe true but how about the calls, texts or emails between Pelosi and the head of the Capital Police?


38 posted on 08/03/2023 1:16:57 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: chiller

She is admitting she called for troops while the rioting was going on!
The Chief of The Capitol police told Tucker Carlson in an interview both he and Donald Trump called for thousands of National Guard troops days before jan6th and was turned down by Pelosi


39 posted on 08/03/2023 6:01:59 PM PDT by ballplayer
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Pelosi claiming she begged Trump for National Guard troops.

WHAT? I thought it was Trump who asked for 10,000 troops?? Never heard about phone calls.

40 posted on 08/14/2023 7:23:05 AM PDT by Fawn ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6)
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