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BREAKING: Pence now Implicitly Admits he had the Power to reject Fraudulent Votes on J6
DC_Draino on Twitter X ^ | August 2, 2023 | DC_Draino

Posted on 08/02/2023 6:14:12 PM PDT by Macho MAGA Man

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To: Macho MAGA Man

He always DID -

It was SUCH an “illegal act” that they tried to pass a law banning it AFTER THE FACT!


41 posted on 08/02/2023 7:40:15 PM PDT by Skywise
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To: dznutz

I remember when Trump was looking for a VP pic, the news media was pushing the story that the Trump kids really liked Pence. Did Trump and his kids all get snookered by the media and Pence? Pence was DC plant from the start?


42 posted on 08/02/2023 7:43:25 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: Alberta's Child; Republican Wildcat

It’s nice to see at least some discussion that takes the Constitution into account. Thank you.


43 posted on 08/02/2023 7:48:07 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Williams

“... to hand the election to Trump.” ?
pinhd again


44 posted on 08/02/2023 7:55:24 PM PDT by A strike ("The worse, the better."- Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: Alberta's Child
The role of the joint session of Congress, in which the VP is the presiding officer (as President of the Senate), is to COUNT the electoral votes. That's it.

You do *NOT* participate in a criminal process. You say "NO!" I WILL NOT!"

But Pence is a sack of sh*t coward and I wish him only ill.

45 posted on 08/02/2023 7:57:42 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Mariner
Pence didn’t have the power to reject anything.

He D@mn sure did! He has the power to refuse to participate in a corrupt illegal election process.

What he *DID* do has resulted in the worst possible of all outcomes.

46 posted on 08/02/2023 7:59:33 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: mmichaels1970
It’s nice to see at least some discussion that takes the Constitution into account.

I think you are referring to your preferred version of it. John Eastwood is a constitutional scholar and the whole thing was his idea, but people want to believe what they want to believe.

What happened could not have possibly turned out worse than it did.

This was a coup.

47 posted on 08/02/2023 8:02:49 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: BAN-ONE

I did a double take on your comment after I momentarily mixed up Danforth with Jeremiah Denton. Denton already had his hell before being elected.

Same initials.


48 posted on 08/02/2023 8:07:35 PM PDT by Hieronymus
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To: Macho MAGA Man

He could have done it, but Biden STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN INSTALLED. It would have been all for naught.


49 posted on 08/02/2023 8:07:35 PM PDT by alstewartfan ("She looks like she's 19 years old, sitting there like a lady with her lbegs crossed." Creepy Joe)
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To: Williams

Pence is a snake in the grass type... wouldn’t vote for him if he was the last Republican on the planet.


50 posted on 08/02/2023 8:09:40 PM PDT by GOPJ (What are the odds both Biden White House idogs only bite Secret Service Agents? NOT a coincidence.)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Pence gave aid and comfort to the domestic and foreign enemies of the United States. The Constitution has a word for that.


51 posted on 08/02/2023 8:13:08 PM PDT by Carl Vehse (Move the Overton window to the right with defenestration.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I think you are referring to your preferred version of it.

I have no preferred version. It is what it is. But I do prefer debate that rationally cites it regardless of which side of the debate the person is on. I’m NOT a constitutional scholar. So I appreciate it when it is used as a foundational part of debate. It’s how I learn.

Taking my limited knowledge of it into account. It’s always been my thought that the actual selection of electors was up to the states. And if the state has issues with fraud, it’s up to the state to fix it. I do not insist I’m right, nor will I insult somebody with a different interpretation.
52 posted on 08/02/2023 8:14:34 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: dznutz

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Yes.

Pence was already working for them.

24-48 hrs earlier he was trying to pump up the MAGA and make sure they showed up and thought something was going to happen other than Certify.


53 posted on 08/02/2023 8:47:34 PM PDT by AnthonySoprano (Impeachment is necessary since Deep State is blocking )
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To: Macho MAGA Man

For all... mark levin’s take on things....

Specifically, Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the federal Constitution could not be more explicit. It states, in pertinent part: “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress …”

- The state legislatures could have selected the slate of electors if they thought there was a problem with the election process

https://www.marklevinshow.com/2020/12/30/mark-levin-on-january-6-we-learn-whether-our-constitution-will-hold-and-whether-congressional-republicans-care/


54 posted on 08/02/2023 8:59:16 PM PDT by backpacker_c
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Levin on the v.p,

We’re not 100 percent sure what the Vice President’s role is. Look at the Constitution, does it tell us? No. Look at the 12th Amendment. Is it clear? It’s ambiguous.

Look at the Federal statute they all rely on from the 1880s. Is that clear? No, it’s convoluted, which is precisely why Republican and Democrat senators are now proposing a bill to clarify what the role of the Vice President is, when he oversees this process and they want it to be purely ministerial, where he has absolutely no ability to make any independent decisions.

So why are they doing that? Because it’s not clear if he did. I’ll give you a perfect example. What if we learn after the “election” that there was all kinds of bribery taking place, a bribery scheme in let’s say a state that turned out to affect the outcome of the election? Now, is the Vice President of the United States overseeing the process of the President of the Senate? Can he object? Can he send it back to the States?

- The constitution is not clear on duties of the v.p. It does say what the v.p does, but IT DOES NOT SAY what the v.p. could not do.

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/life-liberty-levin-efforts-january-6-committee


55 posted on 08/02/2023 9:05:20 PM PDT by backpacker_c
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To: Macho MAGA Man

Levin more directly - I can’t find the original bookmark, so this is close

It is not clear under the United States Constitution. It is not clear under the 12th Amendment what the responsibilities of the vice president of the United States are and how they are limited. So to not have an opposition, to not have a legal challenge right there in the committee, to not challenge these witnesses, this is a railroad job, pure and simple and it’s time the media get off its ass and pay attention and the legal analyst act like real lawyers. That’s it.

https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-host-mark-levin-pushes-lie-mike-pence-could-have-refused-certify-election-results


56 posted on 08/02/2023 9:07:11 PM PDT by backpacker_c
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To: Republican Wildcat

Anything the Electoral College does is still up for review and approval, by Congress. Congress and the Vice President have the authority to evaluate the electors and ask the states they came from if they are settled slates.

Inauguration Day was March or even April until 1937. That span of time allowed voting irregularities to be ironed out.

You have a lot of your concepts, wrong.


57 posted on 08/02/2023 9:10:09 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Pence is a big Doosh Bag.

58 posted on 08/02/2023 10:30:43 PM PDT by TheConservativeTejano (The Business of America is Business)
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To: Macho MAGA Man
This is also why the Electoral College Act was amended last year - to make sure no VP could send fraudulent votes back to states

If it were illegal they wouldn't have needed to change the law making it illegal.

And it may never get repealed.
We'll see.

59 posted on 08/02/2023 11:33:17 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Macho MAGA Man

It would have been turned over to the House of Representatives...


60 posted on 08/02/2023 11:35:10 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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