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0:00·what's the difference between a Tavern
0:02·an inn and an ale house in the medieval
0:05·period or are they the same thing
0:16·[Music]
0:20·[Applause]
0:29·[Music]
0:35·taverns Inns and Ale houses are three
0:38·establishments where alcohol was served
0:40·but what's the difference well taverns
0:43·were introduced by the Romans comes from
0:46·the Latin Taverna which is an inn
0:49·but it has a bit of a specialist sort of
0:52·connotation taverns in the medieval
0:54·period were where you could drink wine
0:56·and they were considered to be a little
0:58·more up Market than your average
1:00·drinking establishment although they
1:02·varied as you can imagine they were
1:03·really up Market taverns and really
1:05·quite down and dirty taverns of course
1:08·now wine in the medieval period is any
1:10·alcoholic beverage which is brewed from
1:13·fruit so obviously the fruit of the
1:15·grape that's what we know as wine and
1:18·most of the wine in this country that
1:20·was imported was red but English wine
1:22·did exist so the fruit of the grape but
1:27·also technically cider and Perry cider
1:30·being from apples and Perry being from
1:33·pears were incredibly popular and were
1:35·considered to be wines because it's a
1:36·fruit we don't really think of them as
1:38·wines anymore although people today do
1:41·make Elderberry wine which I always
1:43·thought was a bit strange but of course
1:44·Elderberry is a fruit and therefore if
1:46·you make wine from it then that's what
1:49·it actually is it's literally a wine
1:51·so wine was broadly served in taverns
1:55·and possibly light meals but other forms
1:58·of entertainment as well but possibly
1:59·not the lower end of entertainment that
2:01·might be expected in other places so
2:04·they did consider themselves A Cut Above
2:05·the other places in the medieval period
2:09·London had a population about 80 000
2:12·people and there were over 350 taverns
2:15·within the city walls which means there
2:17·was a Tavern for every roughly 250
2:19·people it's quite a lot of taverns
2:21·actually if you can imagine that now
2:23·each Tavern was run by Vintner a
2:26·purveyor of wines and often those
2:27·Vintners would be wholesale wine
2:30·salesmen as well they would keep a
2:32·seller that wine would be sold on and
2:34·off the premises and there was a guild
2:36·of Vintners and the Guild of Vintners
2:37·still exists today in London has been
2:40·continuously there for uh hundreds of
2:43·years since the medieval period the
2:45·guilds tried to maintain a monopoly on
2:49·the trade but also they tried to Main
2:51·retain quality and you can be thrown out
2:53·of the guild if you were serving bad
2:55·wine and one of the interesting laws
2:57·about taverns was that during opening
2:59·hours the vintna were supposed to keep
3:02·the seller unlocked and was supposed to
3:05·allow a client
3:07·to come visit the seller to see exactly
3:10·what kind of wine was being served they
3:13·could actually go and check the markings
3:15·on the barrel and check that it was from
3:18·the place it was supposed to be and
3:20·Vintners that served bad wine or wine
3:23·that was gone off gone sour or wine that
3:27·was actually adulterated with water
3:29·perhaps were punished by going into the
3:32·stocks and sometimes the remains of what
3:35·they were selling their bad wine was
3:36·tipped all over their heads so
3:38·occasionally
3:39·you might see a vintna covered in wine
3:42·sitting in the stocks well that means
3:44·he's a bad person probably be thrown out
3:46·of the guild as well and lose his job so
3:49·the rules around owning a Tavern were
3:52·fairly strict I'm sure they weren't
3:53·always followed though of course
3:55·otherwise the laws wouldn't be needed
3:58·now the most expensive wine was called
4:00·reddish wine which comes from the
4:02·Germanic areas that was imported a long
4:05·way that was supposedly quite sweet and
4:08·the value of wine in the medieval period
4:11·really depended on its sweetness so the
4:13·sweeter the wine
4:15·the more expensive it would be a lot of
4:18·the wines came from gascony in northern
4:20·France and those were roughly four times
4:22·as expensive as an equivalent amount of
4:25·Ale they were sold by the cup so wine
4:28·was
4:29·available if you had a reasonable amount
4:31·of money it wasn't particularly
4:33·expensive but it was a lot more
4:34·expensive than ale and typically ale was
4:36·drunk by the working classes as well as
4:38·the the Tradesmen there was a type of
4:40·wine grown in England as well which is
4:42·typically white wine which is
4:43·interesting but a lot of that didn't
4:45·really get sold in the taverns as such
4:48·because it was often grown by the clergy
4:49·and grown by the nobility and consumed
4:53·on their own premises so they grew their
4:55·own wine effectively which is kind of
4:57·interesting and today there's a little
4:59·bit of English wine grown in the
5:01·southern parts of England two other
5:03·drinks which I haven't mentioned yet are
5:05·Mead and methaglin Mead is honey is is
5:08·fermented honey methylene is fermented
5:11·honey and fruit juice as well combined
5:13·now those appear to have been available
5:15·at taverns but were not particularly
5:17·popular as far as I can tell
5:19·they seem to have been reserved for
5:22·special events they seem to be those
5:23·sort of drinks that you would drink at a
5:25·feast or at a wedding and of course
5:27·weddings give us the term honeymoon
5:29·where the couple would often drink a lot
5:32·of Honey a lot of mead for a month after
5:36·their wedding and
5:38·um I guess that was a form of luxury
5:40·that wouldn't be available to them later
5:42·and also you've had cider and Perry
5:45·available in the west of England quite a
5:47·lot and in the west of England there
5:49·seems to be so much of that that it was
5:51·roughly half the price of ale so cider
5:54·and Perry were stronger in alcohol but
5:57·also half the price and certainly a lot
6:00·cheaper than Wine
6:01·[Music]
6:11·Inns are really associated with
6:14·Travelers the idea of it in was that
6:17·it's a place to sleep overnight a place
6:20·to rest to get some food stable your
6:23·horse if you've got a horse look after
6:24·your mule if you've got a mule your pack
6:26·ponies whatever it might be they could
6:28·be safe and looked after and you could
6:31·get a little bit of r r you'd get a bed
6:33·for the night might be in a communal bed
6:35·by the way people slept sometimes 12 to
6:37·a bed or you might just get a corner or
6:39·if you're really cheap you might be
6:40·sleeping in the Stables but it was
6:42·somewhere associated with it was a
6:44·little bit organized a little bit safe
6:45·you could meet fellow Travelers you
6:47·could sort of recharge and then you go
6:49·on your way again
6:51·lots of Inns were based at the gates to
6:55·big cities or towns they're a place
6:57·that's convenient so if you're a
6:59·traveler well you get to the place
7:00·you're going to and you think I'm really
7:02·knackered I need to have a rest so the
7:06·closest place is the gate and therefore
7:09·you go to the easiest Inn you can find
7:11·and that was the one that you you saw
7:14·when you first got to the place you're
7:16·going to other sorts of Inns were placed
7:19·at convenient
7:21·distances from one place to another
7:24·roughly a day's comfortable travel and
7:28·maybe not a day's ride exactly but three
7:30·quarters of a day's ride maybe a whole
7:31·day's walk
7:33·sometimes at Crossroads but on major
7:35·major roads and you'll see these in
7:37·England as well there's one in
7:39·particular that I remember passing it's
7:41·close to the Foss way and it's in the
7:44·middle of nowhere really except if you
7:46·look at it on a map it's about 20 miles
7:48·from one town and 20 miles to the other
7:52·in the middle of nowhere but a good
7:54·place for everybody to stop so it was
7:55·good for business because everybody was
7:57·going to stop there basically so they
7:59·were melting pots for all sorts of types
8:02·of people you would also have people
8:04·from all walks of life so there were a
8:06·variety of different qualities of
8:07·accommodation often available in the
8:09·Canterbury Tales Chaucer talks about
8:12·little more than a journey from one Inn
8:15·all the way through various other Inns
8:17·to the eventual Canterbury and it starts
8:21·at an inn called The Tabard Inn now
8:23·tabard is associated with a type of
8:25·clothing used to go over armor often had
8:28·heraldry on it so it's a very nightly
8:30·thing it was south of the river in a
8:33·place called Southwark now Southwark
8:35·back then was fairly notorious it was
8:37·Notorious because it was out of the
8:39·bounds of the city walls it was out of
8:42·the bounds of the city Lords as well so
8:44·you could just cross the river you'd get
8:46·to southwark and it was Notorious for
8:48·Bare baiting fighting prostitution
8:51·gambling all sorts of Nefarious
8:55·activities which is presumably why
8:57·Chaucer started his journey there
9:00·emphasizing
9:01·perhaps the lack of religious
9:03·seriousness of these uh of these
9:06·pilgrims on their way to Canterbury
9:08·you might not realize but the tabbardin
9:11·still exists you can actually go and
9:13·have a pint there to this day
9:15·ale houses were little more than
9:18·somebody's accommodation somebody's
9:20·house
9:22·open to the public hence Public Public
9:24·House which is what we use in Britain to
9:26·this day to describe pubs public house
9:28·that's what it means really what that
9:30·amounted to was a woman it was usually a
9:33·woman of the household Brewing
9:35·sufficient beer for more than her family
9:38·so she had excess and it was an easy way
9:41·to make some money they brewed ale not
9:44·beer at this stage but ale which is
9:46·barley malted barley sometimes oats take
9:49·the juice from that and you ferment it
9:52·sometimes you can add spices if you want
9:55·to change the flavor but broadly
9:57·speaking you don't it's barely sweet
9:58·compared to Modern beer
10:01·and it has a very high nutritional value
10:03·so people effectively use this as liquid
10:06·bread it was a very important component
10:08·of the peasant diet of the ordinary
10:10·person's diet and remember at this stage
10:13·in history in medieval England
10:15·95 of the population were peasants they
10:19·were farmers subsistence plus farmers in
10:22·times of Plenty they could sell excess
10:25·food but sometimes they went a little
10:26·bit without
10:28·but ale houses and sometimes there were
10:30·quite a lot of these there are Villages
10:32·and towns rather than cities as such run
10:35·by women and people would go in there
10:38·drink the ale until it ran out
10:41·ale doesn't keep for very long either so
10:43·you have to really encourage people to
10:45·drink the whole Brew today maybe
10:47·tomorrow third fourth day probably it's
10:50·starting to go sour there's some
10:52·suggestion that some of the spices and
10:56·herbs that could be added could extend
10:58·the life and hops the bittering agent
11:01·that makes beer from ale effectively
11:03·that bittering agent really didn't start
11:05·to be used extensively until
11:08·the very end of the Middle Ages the the
11:10·it was really a Renaissance drink b as a
11:12·Renaissance drink and Ale is a medieval
11:14·drink it was used a little bit it was
11:16·introduced and it caused a little bit of
11:18·controversy because this sort of
11:19·newfangled bitter drink was considered
11:22·to be a bit foreign and so some people
11:25·thought it was a bit dodgy but it became
11:27·very popular very quickly and hops have
11:30·the effect of lengthening the life of
11:33·the beer it makes it last longer in the
11:36·vat so you could make a brew and it
11:39·would be drinkable for a couple of weeks
11:41·possibly possibly only a week depends on
11:43·the temperature at this time period it's
11:45·unlikely that ale was sold in sort of
11:48·regulated
11:49·volumes the wholesale price was
11:51·regulated Magna Carta talks about a
11:54·London quarter being the unit of selling
11:57·of wholesale ale but the individual
12:00·person probably just brought their own
12:02·cup probably their own pots they talk
12:04·about having pots of beer uh or mazes
12:07·mazes are bowls not really flagons in
12:10·the way you might imagine from a later
12:12·period some kind of drinking vessel but
12:15·I guess you tried to have the biggest
12:16·drinking vessel possible I don't know
12:18·whether you got charged more if you had
12:19·a particularly big drinking vessel we
12:21·just don't know about that I haven't
12:22·seen any evidence whatsoever how do you
12:25·advertise the fact you've got a brew on
12:27·if it's just a public house well the
12:29·answer is you put a Branch or a broom
12:32·outside something to indicate that there
12:34·is a brew on that everybody in the local
12:36·area would know it's like oh Mrs miggins
12:38·has got a brew on right we'll go around
12:40·there and we'll have a bit of a booze up
12:42·and a bit of a party not really a party
12:44·I suppose but a but a bit of a social
12:46·event uh and she's very good at brewing
12:49·beer so her beer is excellent
12:51·the price of beer was controlled by
12:54·Statute law so it was one penny for four
12:57·gallons of beer now that does slightly
13:00·vary if the price of Bali changes a bit
13:03·but broadly speaking it was one penny
13:05·for four gallons that gives you an idea
13:07·the ale wasn't that strong necessarily
13:10·it's probably a bit more like light beer
13:12·today so two percent three percent not
13:16·really compared to the strong ciders
13:19·certainly not as strong as wine of the
13:21·of the period so it could be drunk
13:23·without too much
13:25·inebriation although as the coroner's
13:28·reports a test people did get absolutely
13:31·plastered and sometimes kill themselves
13:33·as a result of falling over
13:35·the ale houses started to become a bit
13:37·more professional and the sign outside
13:41·started to get more Gordy so in an
13:44·environment where people weren't
13:45·necessarily very strong readers
13:47·illiteracy is another topic but people
13:50·could read but not very well what you
13:52·needed is a way of saying
13:55·the house four doors down with the red
13:58·door has got a good Ale on uh go there
14:01·and have a drink what they started to do
14:03·is put painted signs outside so rather
14:05·than saying the house four doors down
14:07·with a red door you would say the house
14:09·with a painted sign of a red lion
14:12·outside it go to the Red Lion everybody
14:15·would know where it was go to the
14:17·prince's arms go to the king's head
14:19·these are all recognizable symbols often
14:22·of a medieval period if you look into it
14:25·and they help to identify the location
14:27·of the Ale House which I think is
14:29·fascinating now sometimes these signs
14:32·got a bit awkward they stuck out too far
14:35·into the road and they caused them
14:37·well they caused a nuisance so from the
14:39·period we have rules about how big these
14:41·signs are allowed to be and how heavy
14:44·they could be as well because obviously
14:45·if they fell down and fell onto people
14:47·that would be an issue so they couldn't
14:49·be over a certain set size uh which is
14:53·really interesting it shows you that
14:54·people were probably breaking those
14:55·rules and having massive sizes outside
14:57·to say come and get your ale here very
15:00·useful source of extra income for the
15:02·woman of the household too
15:04·you may have noticed I've not spoken
15:05·about spirits very much in terms of
15:07·drinking and that's because they weren't
15:09·widely drunk at all in fact they really
15:11·weren't known particularly as a drink in
15:14·the medieval period
15:16·distillation of perfumes and oils was
15:19·known about since Antiquity and it was
15:21·also known about in the medieval period
15:22·we have a record of 13th century Italy
15:25·of people distilling alcohol from wine
15:28·and producing very strong substance but
15:31·it wasn't used to drink it was
15:34·specifically used to treat smallpox so
15:36·it was considered to be a medicine as
15:39·opposed to a drink now we do in the end
15:42·of the medieval Period start to hear
15:43·stories of people dying tragically
15:46·through drinking too much or what they
15:48·called aqua Vitae this is the the Water
15:51·of Life this was distilled alcohol but
15:54·right at the very end of it and it
15:55·appears that drinking it was fairly
15:57·unusual it certainly wasn't served in
16:00·taverns Inns and Ale houses at all and
16:03·everybody thought of it as a medicine
16:05·rather than a type of drink whiskey
16:08·being distilled from beer doesn't really
16:11·appear until after the medieval period
16:13·and distilled drinks in general our
16:17·post-medieval in fact in the 17th
16:19·century gin was so cheap that it caused
16:22·a lot of societal problems it was sold
16:24·to people in pints so imagine drinking a
16:26·pint of gin and what that does to you
16:28·well it was a that was a big problem
16:30·actually and they had to bring in quite
16:32·a lot of laws for that did Medieval
16:34·people drink to excess yes of course
16:36·they did just as today some people drink
16:39·too much of whatever it is their
16:41·favorite booze might be and the
16:44·coroner's records which we have show an
16:46·extensive number of deaths by accidents
16:49·number of cases one in particular a
16:51·gentleman was pissing in the local pond
16:54·and over balanced fell in and drowned
16:57·another one was going home after
17:00·visiting the Ale House with a pot of ale
17:03·so that's interesting that sort of
17:04·off-market um taking the booze back home
17:07·with you so there's a little bit of
17:08·evidence but he was taking a pot of Ale
17:10·home with him when he was bitten by a
17:13·dog he stooped to try and pick up a
17:15·stone and throw it at that dog whereupon
17:18·he tumbled over and smashed his head
17:20·open on on a wall it's pretty bad and
17:24·one unfortunate chap was going home
17:26·after drinking far too much in the local
17:29·Ale House and fell in the town well and
17:32·drowned
17:33·really unpleasant deaths I suppose but
17:36·people fall over when they're drunk they
17:38·did back then still doing it today
17:41·[Music]
17:43·foreign

1 posted on 07/31/2023 6:15:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

All that I know of Inns I learned from The Lord of the Rings.


3 posted on 07/31/2023 6:22:34 AM PDT by fwdude (Conservatism isn't just an ingredient you can add to a sh*t stew & call it good. It's comprehensive.)
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To: SunkenCiv

thanx a lot for the link up


5 posted on 07/31/2023 6:28:50 AM PDT by thinden (buckle up ....)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bttt


11 posted on 07/31/2023 7:23:07 AM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: SunkenCiv

Alehouses had dartboards, taverns had pool tables, medievals had jousting matches.


14 posted on 07/31/2023 7:48:09 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Don't shoot until you see the whites of their lies)
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To: SunkenCiv
"What's the difference between medieval inns, taverns and alehouses?"

Hobitses:


15 posted on 07/31/2023 7:53:50 AM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest )
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To: SunkenCiv

My interpretation and what I use for DnD campaigns:

Inn - sells meals, alcohol and rooms. The modern equivalent of a hotel that has a restaurant and a bar. Rooms by the night.

Wayhouse - sells rooms, no meals. The modern equivalent of a Motel. Rooms by the night or longer period. Often has a Tavern nearby.

Tavern - sells meals and alcohol. The modern equivalent of a restaurant. When it closes, all patrons leave.

Alehouse - sells mostly alcohol (mostly beer but some wine) but also some food. The modern equivalent of a Bar / Grill / Pub.


17 posted on 07/31/2023 8:08:19 AM PDT by taxcontrol (The choice is clear - either live as a slave on your knees or die as a free citizen on your feet.)
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