Posted on 07/29/2023 5:08:41 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
Retired Navy Cmdr. David Fravor was commander of an F/A-18F Super Hornet squadron aboard the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz on Nov. 14, 2004, when he piloted one of two Super Hornets that came across a Tic Tac-shaped aircraft. At the time, the Nimitz was about 100 miles southwest of San Diego.
The crew of the two Super Hornets was told that unidentified objects had been observed for over two weeks, during which they had rapidly descended from 80,000 feet to 20,000 feet, loitered for several hours, and then returned to extremely high altitudes, Fravor told a House Oversight subcommittee on Wednesday.
“For those who don’t realize, above 80,000 feet is space,” Fravor said during Wednesday’s hearing on “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena,” or UAP, a recently coined term for unidentified objects in the air and underwater.
The Super Hornets’ pilots and weapon systems officers all saw a Tic Tac object moving abruptly above the ocean without any visible wings or propulsion system, Fravor said. As his plane got closer to the object, it quickly accelerated and disappeared. An air controller quickly told Fravor that the object had been detected 60 miles away less than a minute after the Super Hornets had lost contact with it.
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Assuming the Tic Tac was a physical object and not some sort of projection, no human pilot could survive the G-forces caused by how quickly it moved and maneuvered, retired Lt. Cmdr. Alex Dietrich, who piloted the other Super Hornet involved in the incident, told Task & Purpose on Thursday.
With the known technology that the United States and its adversaries possess, an aircraft can either be as fast as a jet or as maneuverable as a helicopter – Dietrich said after the hearing.
“You can’t go supersonic and turn on a dime,” said Dietrich, who currently teaches engineering at the University of Colorado, Boulder. “The flight control surfaces, the propulsion required, they’re incompatible in our current configurations, in our current technology, with the fuel we have, with the materials that we have. And so, what we saw that day was something that was hovering like a helicopter and then intravenously accelerating, turning on a dime, not requiring the full turning radius that we require in our strike fighters or advanced jets. That’s why it was so confusing to us in the moment and seemed to defy what we know and expect to be laws of physics and limitations of capabilities.”
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That said, accusing the Squirrelly-Men of being in denial aggravates them to no end...probably because it's the truth.
I’m just gonna use those images to aggravate people.;-)
At this point, Post #100, comments to/from you have gotten boringly myopic.
I am most certainly not saying the Communists do not now produce products of all quality, both high and low, because that is demonstrably false.
What I do maintain is that it is not sustainable for the purposes of innovation in a Communist environment.
Communist China has stood on the shoulders of the industrial West by STEALING our methods and technologies, subverting and destroying our industries, and even by eroding the forces that have given us those advantages in the past by toppling (via government subversion via greed and blackmail) those capitalistic forces in the West, and making them non-sustainable.
I hope you are right, I fear you are wrong.
If an alien spacecraft landed today, I fear scientists today would not accept the craft had technology beyond their capability to understand.
Plus, I think many in our government and around the world would take a hostile attitude toward any aliens that showed up in a spacecraft.
You’re 100% right, what we understand about our solar system, galaxy and universe is only a small fraction of how things really work.
If we do have alien spacecraft and biological beings, that would be the greatest scientific disclosure in human history, if true.
“That said, accusing the Squirrelly-Men of being in denial aggravates them to no end...probably because it’s the truth. “
I know, but that defensive tactic would not be required if they did not “go out of their way” to aggressively try and squash all discussion about it. The ones I’m getting a kick out of are those who come take the first swing and then cry like babies that “they” are the poor victim when we swing back.
Well, nobodies forcing you to be here.
You believe this is real, I believe it’s hueey. One can’t prove something doesn’t exist, which means it’s on you to prove it does. Go for it.
On top of that, I also maintain the ChiComs are engaged in economic and socio-cultural practices that have indeed taken countries to war in the past.
As a form of socio-cultural warfare, they actually like to brag that their flooding of America with Fentanyl is analogous to the way colonial powers flooded China with opium beginning in the 18th Century, and they take great pleasure in this.
Never mind what they do economically.
“...certain truths exist and are known. Gravity is known.”
Really? What causes gravity? A particle? A wave? A field? You should publish your findings if you know this.
You are correct. And also, the southern border.
I am more inclined to believe that the UAP might be our own, rather than anyone else’s. I hope the proposed hearings, including the select committee that Burchett et.al. have proposed, can de-escalate the National Security State. I am almost to the point that I think most state secrets are pointless; read us all in! Certainly, the level to which things are classified in our own government are going to stifle us in the same ways.
Just as a side, given the caliber of most of the governments, their composition, and world leaders today, what governments would think and do when presented with alien spacecraft I suspect would be underwhelming, as a representation of humanity.
Gravity is accepted but what causes it is unknown.
Sort of like those UFO thingies.
Sorry, there is no analogy there.
Love that pic! But, what is gravity? We’re unsure; we can describe its effects, but not its essence.
I think that might be key to the next materials science/power generation breakthroughs. It looks like someone might already be there.
The key to thinking about future breakthroughs is this example.
Imagine that scientists have never heard of a radio and one drops from the sky with people’s voices talking on the radio.
How would they study it?
They would take it apart and look for the people!
Why?—because their existing paradigm of physics had nothing in it about radio waves.
Please. "Doc" Smith invented that in the 1930s. [/s]
What would be scary if is some country announced they had successfully reversed engineered alien spacecraft and were prepared to demonstrate it to the public, especially if they showed any offensive military capability
The instability between governments would instantly be off the charts
That goes up and down the ladder of life on this planet, from bacteria on up.
It likely remains to be seen if these traits are shared off world.
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