Somebody hocking a book still doesn’t make it science.
I read Chariots of the Gods as a teenager. It’s largely been debunked. But he made a pretty penny off his books back then.
Posted on 07/29/2023 5:08:41 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
Retired Navy Cmdr. David Fravor was commander of an F/A-18F Super Hornet squadron aboard the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz on Nov. 14, 2004, when he piloted one of two Super Hornets that came across a Tic Tac-shaped aircraft. At the time, the Nimitz was about 100 miles southwest of San Diego.
The crew of the two Super Hornets was told that unidentified objects had been observed for over two weeks, during which they had rapidly descended from 80,000 feet to 20,000 feet, loitered for several hours, and then returned to extremely high altitudes, Fravor told a House Oversight subcommittee on Wednesday.
“For those who don’t realize, above 80,000 feet is space,” Fravor said during Wednesday’s hearing on “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena,” or UAP, a recently coined term for unidentified objects in the air and underwater.
The Super Hornets’ pilots and weapon systems officers all saw a Tic Tac object moving abruptly above the ocean without any visible wings or propulsion system, Fravor said. As his plane got closer to the object, it quickly accelerated and disappeared. An air controller quickly told Fravor that the object had been detected 60 miles away less than a minute after the Super Hornets had lost contact with it.
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Assuming the Tic Tac was a physical object and not some sort of projection, no human pilot could survive the G-forces caused by how quickly it moved and maneuvered, retired Lt. Cmdr. Alex Dietrich, who piloted the other Super Hornet involved in the incident, told Task & Purpose on Thursday.
With the known technology that the United States and its adversaries possess, an aircraft can either be as fast as a jet or as maneuverable as a helicopter – Dietrich said after the hearing.
“You can’t go supersonic and turn on a dime,” said Dietrich, who currently teaches engineering at the University of Colorado, Boulder. “The flight control surfaces, the propulsion required, they’re incompatible in our current configurations, in our current technology, with the fuel we have, with the materials that we have. And so, what we saw that day was something that was hovering like a helicopter and then intravenously accelerating, turning on a dime, not requiring the full turning radius that we require in our strike fighters or advanced jets. That’s why it was so confusing to us in the moment and seemed to defy what we know and expect to be laws of physics and limitations of capabilities.”
(Excerpt) Read more at taskandpurpose.com ...
“If anything, the deep state is just distracting from their own illegal activities.”
They are doing that for sure—we are talking about massive misappropriation of .gov funds all the way up to murder.
The illegal activities are being done for a reason.
Being based in well found science, not junk science, and not falling for every ‘squirrel’ that pops up is hardly hubris. It’s discernment. The remainder of your post to me is completely off topic.
“Conspiracy theory”
Over the years I was convinced of dozens of “conspiracy theories” that turned out to be conspiracy fact.
At this point when someone claims I believe in conspiracy theories my response is....You betcha!
I would certainly want to jack one of their rides and take it for a spin.
Articles that are not peer reviewed might as well be hearsay opinion. Science has to stand up to scrutiny, which is why there are journals and peer review processes, to weed out mistakes or simple BS.
“Discernment”
That is the nub of the issue—when to believe testimony is real and when to dismiss it as lies or false.
The best way to get that is to do lots of homework—lots of focus on details—a full understanding of the history.
Most of the Freepers howling “squirrel” have just not done the work.
The “textbook” on the topic is Richard Dolan’s classic two volume history btw:
https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-National-Security-State-Chronology/dp/1571743170
https://www.amazon.com/UFOs-National-Security-State-1973-1991/dp/0967799511
3600 miles an hour
"Detected" is different then "tracked". What evidence do we have it is the same object?
No, it’s not off topic.
If you think humanity knows everything there is to know on any topic I can assure you that you are wrong.
‘Maybe’ is the right word to use when discussing possibilities.
People alive right now can recall when people like you said with all authority that supersonic flight, space flight, and artificial intelligence were all impossible.
Yet here we are.
There are pros and cons of peer review—the cons are that they inhibit real scientific advancement since the reviewers are established scientists defending existing theories and nowadays ideology.
https://theconversation.com/hate-the-peer-review-process-einstein-did-too-27405
Somebody hocking a book still doesn’t make it science.
I read Chariots of the Gods as a teenager. It’s largely been debunked. But he made a pretty penny off his books back then.
Gematria is the ancient practice of coding numbers into letters. In modern times it is often used to disassemble - or decode events and stories, using the numbers to show connections and relationships that are not outwardly apparent. The four base - and simplest - Gematria ciphers are English Ordinal, Reverse Ordinal, Reduction/Pythagorean and Reverse Reduction.
One of the most well-known UFO stories is the experience of Barney and Betty Hill:
Barney and Betty Hill were an American couple who claimed they were abducted by extraterrestrials in a rural portion of the state of New Hampshire from September 19 to 20, 1961. The incident came to be called the "Hill Abduction" and the "Zeta Reticuli Incident" because two ufologists connected the star map shown to Betty Hill with the Zeta Reticuli system. Their story was adapted into the best-selling 1966 book The Interrupted Journey and the 1975 television film The UFO Incident.
On Oct. 21, 1961, Barney reported to National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomena (NICAP) investigator Walter Webb that the "beings were somehow not human.” The Hills maintained that they were abducted and examined by aliens.
Barney stopped at a scenic picnic area just south of Twin Mountain.
Twin Mountain - was their first sighting of the UFO.
CSETI - Center For The Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence
“Tic Tac” and “Staged” - are an exact match across three ciphers, and since 43 is just the mirror of 34 - it still fits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_and_Betty_Hill_incident
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The Super Hornets’ pilots and weapon systems officers all saw a Tic Tac object
The incident of The Hills started the ‘anal probe’ theme in UFO stories. It has become an element of some alien stories, to the point of being the main theme of the pilot episode of South Park.
"Cartman Gets an Anal Probe" is the series premiere of the American animated television series South Park. It originally aired on Comedy Central in the United States on August 13, 1997. The episode introduces child protagonists Eric Cartman, Kyle Broflovski, Stanley "Stan" Marsh and Kenneth "Kenny" McCormick, who attempt to rescue Kyle's adopted brother Ike from being abducted by aliens.
Anal probe, Federal and Illusion - all have Gematria of 51 - like Area 51.
The number 39:
From the incident of The Hills:
Studying thousands of vantage points over several years, the only one that seemed to match the Hill map was from the viewpoint of the double star system of Zeta Reticuli (about 39 light-years from Earth).
Another UFO story - from 1997 - was the Heaven's Gate cult mass suicide in California.
On March 26, 1997, deputies of the San Diego County Sheriff's Department discovered the bodies of the 39 active members of the groupTrey Parker, along with Matt Stone, are the creators of South Park. Another UFO story, from 1973, involve a man named Parker (no relation).
In October 1973, two men in Pascagoula, MS claimed they had been abducted/examined by aliens: Charles Hickson (42 y/o), and Calvin Parker (19 y/o). The name Parker - just happens also to reduce to 39.
Who by wouldn’t want that, I know I would, personally if aliens exist and landed here we should welcome them not hostile towards them
Yes, off topic. I never said we knew all, hardly in fact. But certain truths exist and are known. Gravity is known. Newton’s laws are known. Find a new power source and you may get a more efficient engine, but it still must live within Newton’s laws, the laws of conservation of mass and energy, and the laws of thermodynamics. Ignorance is different than denying known facts.
Nobody cares. President Biden could have an interview with ET on CNN. I think most of us will 🤷♂️ .
After covid, we're just moving on with life. We're aware that the government may be manipulating the truth.
““An air controller quickly told Fravor that the object had been detected 60 miles away less than a minute after the Super Hornets had lost contact with it.””
That could have been a different object with the same characteristics.
“people who desperately need excitement to temporarily ease the boredom in their lives”
Or drama
I have to add one of my favorite old quotes that applies perfectly to “peer review” by scientists:
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
Upton Sinclair
In the business world it is called “conflict of interest”.
Getting to what is valid is very difficult—and all approaches have their flaws.
Errors can be caused by being gullible or dismissing too quickly.
That is why there is no substitute for doing the work.
I have no opinion on Bigfoot—because I have not done the work.
“today I think the vast majority of people are so brain dead, so long as the existence of aliens didn’t interrupt their daily lives it would not create much panic.”
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As long as people can order pizza, watch Netflix, shop online and use cell phones they won’t care.
That doesn’t mean that the problems those laws pose are insurmountable. It can be a matter of engineering, or manipulation of other laws of physics as yet unknown to us to overcome their limitations and consequences.
I’m pretty jacked about human ingenuity. I don’t think we’ve peaked yet.
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