No, Ukraine has no business being in NATO. And to argue otherwise, what would result? Would Russia stop and withdraw? Doubtful. Would Ukraine demand direct NATO involvement, likely. This is essentially a civil war between Russia and the Ukraine, we need to get out of it, stop wasting money and resources on it, and maybe even help them end the fighting.
Sorry, this is pro Russian bullcrap.
Ukraine is a country recognised as sovereign and independent by the United Nations. In the exact same way the Russian Federation is.
Ukraine’s sovereignty and independence is recognised AND GUARANTEED in over a dozen international agreements including two Soviet era Accords, the Helsinki agreement, its successor the Belovezha Accords, the Budapest Memorandum, two further border agreements with Russia, AND their security guarantees from China in December 2013.
Because of that mountain load of assurance, Ukraine has every right to join whatever security or trade alliance it likes and Russia has absolutely no credible right to veto them.
Ukraine has trade agreements and security guarantees from China (Belt and Road + assurance equivalent to the Budapest Memorandum).
Ukraine ALSO had trade and security assurances from Russia.
Ukraine ALSO had NATO partnership (not membership) - which Russia hates.
Ukraine tried to do a trade deal with the EU, Russia argued it should be present at those negotiations and be able to veto the bits it didn’t like.
Russia can take a flying f**k at a rolling donut. Nobody can tell Russia who it can and can’t do trade deals with. Nobody can tell Russia it can’t accept approaches from countries wishing to become new members to the CSTO, BRICS or CIS. Nobody tells other countries that they’ll be invaded if they attempt such an approach.
The same is the case for every other trade bloc, every other security alliance, and every other UN Charter nation state.
But Russia thinks the rules that apply to every other country on the planet, don’t apply to Russia.
This is not a civil war. China WANTED Ukraine to have trade deals with China, Russia AND the EU. The EU wanted the same. Ukraine wanted it.
Russia demanded a whole bunch of stuff it had no right to demand, some of its demands are technically impossible. It is at war with the West and with NATO because the world listened to its irrational demands and replied “that’s not how it works.”
Ukraine could be in the Belt and Road, in CSTO, a CIS partner, an EU outer ring partner (like Turkey and Macedonia) AND be a NATO partner. That’s what the USA, UK, EU, BRICS including China, and Ukraine itself wanted.
Retard Russia wasn’t having it. Toughshitskyi. The only thing that proves is, Russia is a delusional paranoid rogue nation.
A civil war is a war between organized groups in the same country.
Ukraine and Russia have been de facto separate countries for 30 years and de jure separate countries for 77 years
Ukraine in 1945 had amendments to the Constitution of the Ukrainian SSR were accepted, which allowed it to act as a separate subject of international law in some cases and to a certain extent, remaining a part of the Soviet Union at the same time. In particular, these amendments allowed the Ukrainian SSR to become one of the founding members of the United Nations (UN) together with the Soviet Union and the Byelorussian SSR.
This means that the Russian invasion of 2022 was definitely NOT a "civil war"
Reno - to end the fighting there is only one option - for Putin to withdraw Russian troops. No other scenario will end the fighting
Scenario 1 (touted by the pro-Russian folks here) - that Russia takes over all of Ukraine. Even if tomorrow all countries stop sending weapons to Ukraine, the Ukrainian people will still fight against their occupiers. The bloodshed would continue.
Scenario 2 - a deal where Putin’s Russia keeps it’s current ill-gotten gains. Even then the blood shed will continue - because of internal groups fighting Russian occupation AND, because Russia will use the opportunity to take a breather and wait for the world’s attention to go elsewhere and then will attack again in a few years.